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    How can modern men believe in a creator God?

    Believing in any good supernatural creator entity should be quite the leap in logic, yet so many Christians admit to believing in such a good and powerful creator type God, --- even though they also often think the world has more evil than good in it.

    Ancient man can be said to have lived in a world where there was as much magic as reality and Gods for every occasion. Most religions had to invent a nemesis for God, be it a Satan or a demiurge to take the blame for evil. Christianity followed the pattern for myths that was well known and established and invented Satan. That strange magical/superstitious world would explain why ancient man was foolish enough to believe in fantasy characters and creator Gods.

    How would you explain that less enlightened view persisting in today’s supposedly well-educated and intelligent believer?

    Regards
    DL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvBxFXQy7-M

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    Great question. But you've half-answered it yourself! Many do. Therefore they must be able to somehow.

    I personally am an apatheist. I do not know everything. Therefore there may be a Creator God. Maybe there isn't. I suspect, however, that if there is, He is so far beyond my ability to comprehend that it isn't worth thinking about.

    But here's food for thought. There is a massive universe around us. It came from somewhere. Who's to say that science and religion need be at polar opposites?

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    • #3
      no one with any great level of intelligence would believe that fantasy is reality so to answer your first question....no.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikeyBoab View Post
        Great question. But you've half-answered it yourself! Many do. Therefore they must be able to somehow.

        I personally am an apatheist. I do not know everything. Therefore there may be a Creator God. Maybe there isn't. I suspect, however, that if there is, He is so far beyond my ability to comprehend that it isn't worth thinking about.

        But here's food for thought. There is a massive universe around us. It came from somewhere. Who's to say that science and religion need be at polar opposites?
        The laity are fighting with the non-believers but not the hierarchies of most major religions. They all agree with evolution and only give God the time before it.

        They all have a God of the Gaps, IOW.

        Proof is in how you see things.

        Matthew 7:17
        Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

        Matthew 7:18
        A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

        Matthew 12:33
        Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

        Christians would have us think that God, the good tree, --- produced corrupt fruit.

        If you believe scriptures that say God is perfect that is.

        Deuteronomy 32:4
        He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

        Do you see anything like perfection or evolving perfection around you?

        If not then the bible lies.

        I see it but from nature and not some God.

        Regards
        DL

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tig View Post
          no one with any great level of intelligence would believe that fantasy is reality so to answer your first question....no.
          Thanks.

          Regards
          DL

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gnostic Bishop


            How can modern men believe in a creator God?....How would you explain that less enlightened view persisting in today’s supposedly well-educated and intelligent believer?

            It's easily explained - social conditioning and biased education. When you have religious groups with a vested interest in promoting their ideology and, particularly in the US, vast amounts of wealth to use in disseminating propaganda then you end up with gullible people being brainwashed into accepting all kinds of supernatural fantasies. In secular Europe the religionist lunatic fringe is kept in check but that's not the case in the US, hence you have creationist "museums" etc. trying to drag people back into the dark ages.
            "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."

            - Martin Luther King Jr.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ANDY-J3 View Post
              Originally posted by Gnostic Bishop


              How can modern men believe in a creator God?....How would you explain that less enlightened view persisting in today’s supposedly well-educated and intelligent believer?

              It's easily explained - social conditioning and biased education. When you have religious groups with a vested interest in promoting their ideology and, particularly in the US, vast amounts of wealth to use in disseminating propaganda then you end up with gullible people being brainwashed into accepting all kinds of supernatural fantasies. In secular Europe the religionist lunatic fringe is kept in check but that's not the case in the US, hence you have creationist "museums" etc. trying to drag people back into the dark ages.
              Well put.

              Do you think the law against fraud has a place in churches who are clearly lying, which is all of them?

              Mind you I may know the answer because the law in most countries does not even go after the pedophile protecting Vatican.

              If we do not care enough to protect our children's bodies, I guess we will not care about their minds.

              People have forgotten their duty to each other. Shame on us all.

              Regards
              DL

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              • #8
                They are not lying if there is no intent to mislead. And besides, you can't prove whether or not what they are preaching is true.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mikeyBoab View Post
                  They are not lying if there is no intent to mislead. And besides, you can't prove whether or not what they are preaching is true.
                  They bear false witness as any court of the land will attest to as they make statements that they cannot show proof of.

                  Those are lies. They call hearsay and book say true when they know they are lies.

                  Regards
                  DL

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                  • #10
                    I had a sandwich for my lunch today.

                    I cannot prove that beyond all reasonable doubt, but no one would question it and I'm pretty sure no court in the land would find me guilty of bearing false witness because I cannot prove my statement . . . .

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mikeyBoab View Post
                      I had a sandwich for my lunch today.

                      I cannot prove that beyond all reasonable doubt, but no one would question it and I'm pretty sure no court in the land would find me guilty of bearing false witness because I cannot prove my statement . . . .
                      So your God is no better than a sandwich. I would say less as his morals suck.

                      They would not accept it as fact and imaginary sky daddies are not sandwiches that must be listened to or one ends in hell.

                      Regards
                      DL

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                      • #12
                        What makes you think I believe in God?

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                        • #13
                          Because you defended a bunch of know liars.

                          Regards
                          DL

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                          • #14
                            most laws are made under some religious guidance therefor no judge in any country could even ask any religious person "to prove it"

                            i swear on the holy bible to tell the truth, the whole tru.....oh look theres your "proof" right there

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tig View Post
                              most laws are made under some religious guidance therefor no judge in any country could even ask any religious person "to prove it"

                              i swear on the holy bible to tell the truth, the whole tru.....oh look theres your "proof" right there
                              No judge accepts hear say or book say as evidence. All that is said of the Gods is speculative by nature as no one claims to know a real God.

                              They deal in truth and evidence and churches have neither.

                              If they did, They would not be protecting their pedophiles and murdering children in religious orphanages.

                              Your tone will draw nothing better than this following.

                              “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

                              “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

                              Martin Luther “

                              This puts the rest of us in a position where reasoning with theist becomes impossible.

                              It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

                              Come and reason or be gone.

                              Regards
                              DL

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