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    Picts were possibly connected with Prittani people, which may be from cruth. It has been suggested that prittani means "the makers, formers ( of materials)". In a parliament, the Speaker acts judicially and Acts are the verbal decisions made. Brehon law is connected with judicial action. It appears that the possible root of Prittani, * krt, as in Sanskrit "well-formed" text, has a semantic of "judge". Then "Prittani" and "Brehon" may both describe judicial acts. That is, these may mean the druids as leaders.
    Here are details:

    brth judgement, gu brth, for ever (pron. gu brch) "till Judgment", so Irish, Old Irish brth, judgment, Welsh brawd, Middle Breton breut, Gaulish bratu-, *brtu-; *br, *bera, judge, decide, from Indo-European bher, in the sense of "say", as in abair. . Hence also breath, or breith *br@.t-,
    breath judgment, so Irish, Old Irish breth, *br@.t, Welsh bryd, Gaulish vergo-bretus, *br@.to-s.
    (Vergo Bret was the elected chief magistrate).
    britheamh a judge, Irish breitheamh, Old Irish brithem, g. britheman; root br@.t, of breath, judgment,
    ( this became "Brehon law").
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    Indonesia has about 50% Sanskrit words. In Bali, the water goddess is Danu, connected with Danube , Dneister rivers and maybe Dannan of Eire. The village-people were desa in a lord-client structure as in boaire-desa of Irish lord-clients.

    Bali : kerta. Judge

    Old Java.: kĕrta (cf kṛta) aṅĕrtani to adjudicate, to give a decision on .
    .kArta adj. relating to or treating of the kRt suffixes...

    कर्त karta m. separation
    कर्त karta m. distinction


    cruth form, figure, Old Irish cruth, Welsh pryd, *qr@.tu-s, root qer, make; Latin cerus, creator, creo, English create; Lithuanian kuri, build; Sanskrit kar, make, kr@.tas, made.

  • #2
    Here is some more stuff to link Indonesia back with India and Iran:

    Telugu southeast India. karta "heirs, persons entitled. author." (grammar) nominative case.

    dharmakarta : "judge.arbitrator. trustee of temple. executor of estate".

    Hindi : karta ." family's senior member to manage affairs."
    Old Persian of the Achaemenians. karta meant "village," as in a karta Abiradush nama (a village named Abiradu) in Susa Inscription (Darius Sf, line 46).

    Old Persian . karta "deed", from kar 'do, make'. * krt.

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    • #3
      However, maybe it's all wrong.
      The normal idea is that the word is "Prittani" but in a list of ancient writers who quote Pytheas, only 2 use it : Diodorus of Sicily and Marcian of Heraclea. The others use "Britt - " . Maybe Pytheas did a typo on a grease spot in his papyrus so that a B became a II, the Greek letter for P.

      Then "Brehon" and "Britain" are possibly the same word, connected with "Brettanos" of Gaul, the father of Kelto. Vergo-"Bret" were the elected chief magistrates of Gauls, who fought Julius Caesar. He used "Britannia".

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      • #4
        Very interesting thanks, but the words to focus on would surely be the oldest ones rather than Indonesian, Malay and Hindi. Also the Picts didn't exist as a people at the time the Romans arrived.

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        • #5
          They were more of an early medieval people and for most of their history Christian. That probably was a driving force in their uniting with the Scots against the Norse invaders.

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          • #6
            Probably the Picts had previously been tribes similar to the southern Celtic.
            Sanskrit was also similar to Celtic languages and evidence has been found for Indian trade with Indonesia at 2200 years ago. Roman Greeks settled in south India from 2000 years ago .
            The old legend of Scythia comes into play as the Scythians ruled Punjab India at that time and the snake-woman legend of Cambodia's kings resembles the Scythian legend from south Russia. Scythians raided central Poland around 2600 BP.
            so swing your golf club on that lot..

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            • #7
              Ill try thanks I know that there is a Pali influence on such languages as Thai and probably older Malay type languages spoken in what today is Indonesia.

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              • #8
                Incedentally, the words "Brahmin" might be related to brath and Briton/Preton etc. Fascinating stuff gun teagamh

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                • #9
                  ta tu i gceart, orright mate , thu 's buidhe ceart , ye bes richt.
                  Wheat was a bit tight in Cruithneach -land and cruithneachd bread, bairgan driud , was regulated as a gift for guests. Can't find "driud" but "druine" means skill. Or druid? A wee laddie frae St Andrews says that Cruithin was probably the name used by others for Ulster tribes.
                  So maybe the clan leaders ate the good bread and they were the Cruith ?

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                  • #10
                    So then, if kerta "judge" is from Sanskrit and if it equals cruith "make", then may I introduce Kertajaya? jaya "victory".





                    "Sri Maharaja Kertajaya was the last king of Kadiri ( Indonesia) who reigned circa 1194-1222. . At the end of his reign, he was defeated by Ken Arok of Tumapel or Singhasari , which marked the end of the kingdom of Kadiri .
                    ( note: Ken Arok has no resemblance to Ken O'Rourke).

                    The Indianized States of South-East Asia

                    George Cœds 1968 p 187

                    "Kritajaya fled and disappeared without a trace."


                    Ancient Indian History and Civilization

                    Sailendra Nath Sen 1999 ‎India p 525

                    ". Kertajaya, the last king of Kadiri, involved himself in a quarrel with the clergy ...

                    .Ken Arok ..married the heiress to the throne of Janggala after murdering her husband. As ruler of Janggala he next revolted in 1222 against his sovereign Kertajaya , the ruler of Kediri, with the full support of clergy. .Ken Arok was succeeded by Kertanagara who was murdered in 1292 by a revolting governor of resurgent Kediri ."

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                    " To legitimate his ascension, Ken Arok claimed to be a son of Siwa.

                    . Anusapati,a stepson .. killed Ken Arok.. In the end, Anusapati was also killed by his stepbrother, Panji Tohjaya with the same kris".





                    "By the end of his reign Kertajaya says he wanted to be worshiped by the Hindu and Buddhist priests.. .

                    . . The priests chose refuge in Ken Arok ,. Kertajaya.. claimed he could only be defeated by Shiva . . Hearing this, Ken Arok was put on the title of Lord Master (another name for Shiva ) and led troops to attack Kadiri .

                    .. . . Kertajaya himself escaped and hid, rising to heaven.

                    . Nagarakretagama also .. mentioned that Kertajaya escaped and hide in dewalaya (god's land ).

                    . Both texts proclaim Kertajaya is in a natural refuge of the gods. Presumably Kertajaya hid inside a temple , or maybe Kertajaya was killed . "





                    "In later periods, Kediri economy grew to rely more heavily on trade, especially the spice trade. This resulted from Kediri development of a navy, giving them the opportunity to control the spice trade routes to eastern islands."
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                    That included Papua -New Guinea north of Australia. The poor guy probably escaped down the east coast of Australia. ?

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                    This man lived in late 1200s and had sword-cuts. Aboriginals had no metals.


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