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    In winter it certainly may. More than May. So it's strange that A Bhealtuinn bhailceach May floods is lumped in with good stuff.
    A Bhealtuinn mhaioneach productive May, B bhaineach milk-producing M, B gruthach curd-producing M, B mhaolisleach roe-deer-producing M, B shlamanach curd-producing M, B uanach lamb-producing, B uachdarach cream-producing M , B mhiosganach butter-making M.
    So this is leaning towards religion and language. What's good about floods at Beltane unless there was a link with some deity ? But who wants more rain north from Spain?
    So does it seem to you that bhailceach is a foreign influence which sits uncomfortably in the British isles ?

  • #2
    Answer : yes.
    As Bhel "light" is the deity of Beltane the producer of milk, butter, lambs and deer , then balkr would also be a product. The theme may be rain > flood> sea-waves.

    Beltane is both Bealtainn "light.dwelling" and Bealtuinn "light. sea-waves".

    tainn : dwelling.= tuin

    tuinn : sea-waves, swell.

    The odd combination of ' light ' and ' water' is seen in Norse ljosalfar "light elves" which include wateraelfen, saeaelfen. Gaelic luspardan "elf" <lugh "little" , Sanskrit lagha "light", *leg-us "little", spiorad "spirit".

    But elves are not high-myth gods. And balkr "rain" is not a normal IE form of *bal.

    Then balkr / bailc seems to be just a Bhel-product like milk and lambs but with an elf component of light and water and using an abnormal term. It's like forcing a suitcase over-full with too many items.

    So then balkr is perhaps Baal fertility rain-god from Marseilles who was known in the tin-import trade across from Dover to Calais and south. The Hjortspring and Nydam Mose boats of Denmark may indicate viking voyages to Calais and an elf-spirit / epithet baal , influenced by balkr "strong".

    Maybe it was an ambivalent and derogatory term from a foreign deity and his unwelcome storms which compelled deference. The connection with seized wealth from viking trips could add to balkr as a sea-sprite. Baal would have no impact on Brythonic tribes and is absent there.

    I think viking started earlier than the conventional dates.


    • #3
      ( opens bottle and starts mumbling)..
      On the other hand, bealtuinn "sea waves" also has the sense of "billow, trough , swell". Maybe the water is a solid , fixed shape and mass as in tuinn "fixed, solid, dwelling". Taine "agreement" could be the same thing.
      But hills and valleys aren't tuinn so the water link remains.
      So that's back to the start.
      chucks bottle


      • #4
        tuineadh *to-nes-, root nes as in c˛mhnuidh
        a dwelling, a tarrying, , Early Irish comnaide, a waiting, delay, dwell; Sanskrit nas, join any one.
        nes- IE to unite; be concealed .

        This is a verb of movement as in a date, a new month but not a hill or mountain. A solid sea-wave then is not as set as land is.
        Thank you and goodbye.


        • #5
          ( dead silence. door quietly opens. faint tapping sound ..)
          Bailc "storm" is evidently from Old Norse balkr "storm" which is not from the European root *bal- "strong". It may be from Semitic baal
          and Lebanese baal "rainwater" as in Baal Zaphon a storm god of Carthage of Phoenicians.
          Near Hadrian's Wall there was found an inscription , by a Nth African prefect of a cohort , about the goddess of Hierapolis, Syria where Baal gods were known. Soldiers and sailors sought protection of Baal.

          There was a Syrian trading community in 3rd century on the Rhone river which would connect them with the Seine river-transport of Cornish tin to Marseilles. The Marseilles Tariff stone is evidently from the Baal Zaphon temple at Carthage and this Baal is 1 of 3 Baal gods of storms, as recorded at Tyre.
          There are several discoveries of longboats from Dover, Norfolk and Denmark which have the style of Viking boats. A rebuilt Danish boat of 400 CE design was tested and can be paddled faster than standard Viking boats. Germanic "buccaneers" of 3rd century caused Rome to use a Classis Brittanicus "British Fleet" based at Boulogne to suppress piracy.

          Gaelic bailc "storm" is not known in Wales-England and evidently from Vikings and the perils of sea-storms.

          So the Hadrian wall inscription may record the extension of the god Baal to Britain as embedded in Gaelic.