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    Think about it: over 100 years ago this guy (a native Scots-Gaelic speaker, incidentally) who reached an exalted rank in Victoria's imperial army recommended the following policy to kill Afrikaans, the language of the Boers. Here is what he said shortly before he shot himself:

    "There is the case of the Highlands of Scotland as a parallel. The almost impossible was done there. I look for the future to education. It is through the young idea that we must succeed in South Africa. English must be the language there. It may seem hard to kill, so to speak, a nation by making another language compulsory, but it is a sure way and the best way. Nothing but English should be taught, and then the children would think in English and act as English children."

    Given that his fame was especially high in his native Scotland after his crucial part in winning the Battle of Omdurman it is small wonder that no native Scots-Gaelic speakers exist anywhere near Dingwall, Scotland, today. Such was his influence.

    Hector MacDonald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  • #2
    Originally posted by PeterSandy View Post
    Think about it: over 100 years ago this guy (a native Scots-Gaelic speaker, incidentally) who reached an exalted rank in Victoria's imperial army recommended the following policy to kill Afrikaans, the language of the Boers. Here is what he said shortly before he shot himself:

    "There is the case of the Highlands of Scotland as a parallel. The almost impossible was done there. I look for the future to education. It is through the young idea that we must succeed in South Africa. English must be the language there. It may seem hard to kill, so to speak, a nation by making another language compulsory, but it is a sure way and the best way. Nothing but English should be taught, and then the children would think in English and act as English children."

    Given that his fame was especially high in his native Scotland after his crucial part in winning the Battle of Omdurman it is small wonder that no native Scots-Gaelic speakers exist anywhere near Dingwall, Scotland, today. Such was his influence.

    Hector MacDonald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Its why English can legitemately be viewed as an imperialist language. whatever benefitted the running of the empire, was seen as a sine qua non for the population under it, and they themselves were turned through the machinations of unionism into the worker bees for its damaging effects.

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    • #3
      Fancy that, what a perceptive, original and concise statement. Yet another pearl from the font of knowledge!

      wullie.

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      • #4
        C'mon, Wullie
        Stop tweaking the tails of the numpties...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SeamusAlba View Post
          Its why English can legitemately be viewed as an imperialist language. whatever benefitted the running of the empire, was seen as a sine qua non for the population under it, and they themselves were turned through the machinations of unionism into the worker bees for its damaging effects.
          Seemed to work pretty well too, a quarter of the world's peoples in "pink on the map" countries. How cool was that ?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lachlan09 View Post
            Seemed to work pretty well too, a quarter of the world's peoples in "pink on the map" countries. How cool was that ?
            And yet not even 10% of them were English . Sort of blows a bluddy great hole in the langage is culture argument eh

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Duthill View Post
              And yet not even 10% of them were English . Sort of blows a bluddy great hole in the langage is culture argument eh
              Surely does !

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Duthill View Post
                And yet not even 10% of them were English . Sort of blows a bluddy great hole in the langage is culture argument eh
                How do you define an Arab?

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                • #9
                  يمكنني تحديد عربي باعتباره اللغة العربية

                  yumkinuni taHdeed 3arabee b'i3tibaar-u allughat al3arabiyya

                  I define an Arab as an Arabic speaker.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lachlan09 View Post
                    Surely does !
                    Hey Lachie ,
                    I was at a Taa Moko Wanaka in my home town of Otautahi about 10 years ago . Was the skin stretcher for my mate Tommy while he inscribed a pūhoro on a client.
                    There was an American linguist there , who was annoying Tom for info on te Reo Maori and the other Pacific tongues ( she was a visiting lecturer at a university in Hawaiii , did not speak Olelo Hawaiʻi , was of Italian extraction , and did not speak that reo either).
                    She had the idea that language was the be all and end all in defining and developing culture , ethnicity , ancestry , history , migration , tiddlywinks , the lot.

                    After listening to her niggling me mate while he was doing this highly spiritual work , ( an extremely culturally insensitive bugga was this one ) , I figured it was time she moved on .
                    Said to to her ,
                    "You are a North American , of Italian descent , Tommy is a Kiwi of Maori descent , I am a Kiwi of Irish , Scots , and Norse descent , we are on the island of Te WahiPounamu in Polynesia , and our common tongue is English .
                    And none of us has ever been to England !
                    But by your reasoning we are all English .
                    The language we speak at any given period in our history is incidental , not instrumental to our cultures . It does not define us .
                    We , Tom and myself , know exponents of aspects of this culture , carvers/tattooists , weavers , martial artists , herbalists , navigators etc , who have only a smattering of the reo , yet are still at the top of their profession and respected for it world wide. "

                    Still waiting for her reply .
                    Last edited by Duthill; 16th January 2011, 14:45.

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                    • #11
                      But by your reasoning we are all English

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                      Thats kind of the point I was making yes. (We can choose not to be of course!)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SeamusAlba View Post
                        But by your reasoning we are all English



                        Thats kind of the point I was making yes. (We can choose not to be of course!)





                        Who is this clown who posts c&ps out of context ?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Duthill View Post
                          Who is this clown who posts c&ps out of context ?

                          lol

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                          • #14
                            Language is a representation of our cognitive construct... the way we perceive things. So, the language you do speak do speak does effect the way you perceive things. Culture and language are strongly tied. You lose the language of the culture, and you inherently lose parts of that culture. Many cultural perspectives are lost through translation.

                            I do understand other people's arguments... you're not English because you speak English but as far as your ancient culture, if you lose that language you lose part of your own culture... because speaking English doesn't make you English... just makes you a person missing a lot of your own culture.

                            Anyways, off on a holiday. I'll see you people when I get back.

                            Cheers!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SeamusAlba View Post

                              I define an Arab as an Arabic speaker.
                              utter poppycock

                              so if i learn an arabic language ill automatically become an arab then? and will you now admit to being english?

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