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    Hello. What famous street gangs came from Edinburgh and Glasgow from the 1800's to the early 1900's?

  • #2
    I dont know how far back in history these go, but the Glasgow gangs that readily come to my mind are:
    The Tongs
    The Toi
    Kinning Park Star
    Young Govan Team
    The Cumbie
    'all our plans were made on streets the winter paved, as streetlamp lucozade orange fell...'

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    • #3
      The most famous Glasgow gangs were the Tim Malloys who were Catholics and the Brigton Billy boys who were Protestant. Tim is still used today as a slang term for a Catholic and words like swatch (take a look at) and chib (weapon) originated with the Glasgow gangs but have found their way into Scottish slang.
      "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."

      - Martin Luther King Jr.

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      • #4
        What gangs come form other cities in Scotland?
        What gangs existed between the 14th-18th centuries?

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        • #5
          gangs between the 14th & 18th centuries?
          were they not just called 'armies'?!
          'all our plans were made on streets the winter paved, as streetlamp lucozade orange fell...'

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          • #6
            Organised urban gangs weren't a feature of Scottish life up until the modern era. The most famous Scottish gang of Brigands and outlaws from the medieval period was the family of Sawney (Alexander) Bean who robbed and terrorised travellers-and allegedly ate some of them-in the fifteenth century.


            http://www.seanachaidh.org/sawney.htm
            "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."

            - Martin Luther King Jr.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mavericker
              What gangs come form other cities in Scotland?
              What gangs existed between the 14th-18th centuries?
              Well i suppose the Border Reivers were as close as youd get to gangs from (vaguely) that period although they were dumped in Ulster following the Union of Crowns. I suppose you could also draw parallels between clan fights and battles and the more modern gangs.

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              • #8
                There were no famous gangs from Edinburgh?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ANDY-J3
                  The most famous Glasgow gangs were the Tim Malloys who were Catholics and the Brigton Billy boys who were Protestant. Tim is still used today as a slang term for a Catholic and words like swatch (take a look at) and chib (weapon) originated with the Glasgow gangs but have found their way into Scottish slang.
                  Thank you, Andy-J3.

                  Would you please help me with my other topics in the language forum?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ANDY-J3
                    The most famous Glasgow gangs were the Tim Malloys who were Catholics and the Brigton Billy boys who were Protestant. Tim is still used today as a slang term for a Catholic and words like swatch (take a look at) and chib (weapon) originated with the Glasgow gangs but have found their way into Scottish slang.

                    This one is interesting. as I haven't heard of the "Tim Molloys" (but then again, it might help explain why "Tim" should exist as a sort of group name, (although I obviously have heard the phrase "Billy Boys", there being a song involving that phrase) Reason I think this post is interesting is that I had no idea that "take a swatch at this" as in "take a look at..." was derived from gang and criminal culture. Good! I love it when I can pretend to myself that I am using the internet for some kind of quasi-educational purpose. (Not that I would ever be using it just to be having a waste of time, oh dear me no. Heheheh).

                    The “chib” one, I had not thought about, but it's not so common in any kind of conversation, is it? Whereas “take a swatch at this” seems to occupy roughly the same territory as things like “take a shufti at this” where the bloke saying it might not even realise that the “shufti” thing is, I “think*, anyway, from Hindi (i.e, comes from dated army usage/national service usage.

                    For the semi-relevant entertainment value, here be wee song (but I am not sure whether this is from Matt McGinn or from Hamish Imlach). *

                    "THE DERRY AND CUMBERLAND BOYS"
                    Noo ye've heard o the Billies and Sallys
                    The Norman Cong and the Sang Toy
                    Here's two more tae add tae yer tally
                    The Derry and Cumberland Boys

                    Noo the Cumbie Boys are Roman Catholic
                    Tae chapel they've been wance ot twice
                    But Parkhead is their new Jerusalem
                    And Jock Stein the latter day Christ

                    And the Derry Boys are tae be christians
                    That's plain baith tae hear and tae see
                    For their language is really religious
                    "Jesus Christ", "Oh my God", "FTP"

                    When asked what they think o religion
                    They'll say "Aw religions aw right"
                    But these guys are only religious
                    When they want an excuse for a fight

                    So don't wear a green scarf in Brigton
                    Or a blue scarf in Cumberland Street
                    No unless your a heavy weight champion
                    Or hell o a quick on yer feet

                    * now that I think about it, I think it''s Hamish Imlach. There might be a hear-able version on-line but I don't know)


                    And Mavericker, just what century DO you want your cartoon moggies and doggies to be in? You seem to have wandered through asking about several different times, you know. People will always try to go to trouble to get the right answer, when time allows, but it needs, always, a sensible question.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mavericker
                      Thank you, Andy-J3.

                      Would you please help me with my other topics in the language forum?
                      Because no one else has tried to help?
                      'all our plans were made on streets the winter paved, as streetlamp lucozade orange fell...'

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mavericker

                        There were no famous gangs from Edinburgh?


                        There were gangs from Edinburgh but not of the same level of notoriety and if you look at the two main Glasgow gangs they represented each of the two communities-protestant and catholic with many of the latter being of Irish immigrant stock. The gangs were a product of the sectarian tensions that existed in Glasgow and it was those religious divisions that were the main cause of the explosion of gang violence that occured in Glasgow during the 1930s. Edinburgh wasn't an industrial city so it didn't attract the same number of Irish catholic immigrants as Glasgow and the west of Scotland so it never experienced the same level of sectarian confrontation.
                        "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."

                        - Martin Luther King Jr.

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                        • #13
                          Thank you, Andy-J3. Could you please list the names of the Edinburgh gangs?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lithgae
                            I dont know how far back in history these go, but the Glasgow gangs that readily come to my mind are:
                            The Tongs
                            The Toi
                            Kinning Park Star
                            Young Govan Team
                            The Cumbie
                            Hmmm, I would not really call these so called "gangs" gangs, anything starting with the word young team should be refered to as 15 year old dirty working class arses that should be laughed at,

                            in 21st century glasgow i can assure you there are no more gangs only hordes of working class filth that clog up our hospitals,sponge off our taxpayers money and attack anyone not wearing a filthy creased 5 year old tracksuit,

                            i dont see the point of paying income tax we should just give it to the working class and cut out the middle men.

                            oh and my name is sean a new poster here .... nice to meet you all.

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                            • #15
                              Working class

                              Careful Sean, there are a lot of working class people on this site, perhaps you should indulge all us commoners with a little of your own social standing !

                              Brandane

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