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    My 12 yr old Daughter is currently studying sex in science! Now someone tell me what this has to do with science? Other than the way our parts work. She had to carry an egg around with her for a week, if it was cracked or damaged in any way at the end of the week, they would get a low grade at the end of the grading period. Shouldn't sex ed be considered part of a health class? When I think my daughter is mature enough to understand the ways of adults, I will tell her what she needs to know.

  • #2
    well knowing the biological side of it seems pretty important. Of course the health side could be part of it or not. But I'd rather have the kinds of teachers that I had in science class instead of the ones I had for gym/health talking to my kids about it...

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    • #3
      I am a teacher and I understand your concerns. I teach kindergarten, so of course we do not get into sex, but boy do I hear a lot from them. Some of them hear it from older siblings and on tv and they say the correct words but do not know the meaning.

      I hope what I am about to say does not offend or upset you.

      Many children are having sex or experimenting with sex by the age of 12. We have had some 6th graders who have been suspended because they were caught in the bathroom. Luckily, we have never had pregnant 6th graders but it does happen. It is very unfortunate, and distressing to think about but it is a fact. I think when I we were growing, sex ed was to teach us about puberty and what happens to your body. I think now, it is ia precation to teach children about protection and how to stay disease and pregnancy free.
      MsTink

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mstink
        I am a teacher and I understand your concerns. I teach kindergarten, so of course we do not get into sex, but boy do I hear a lot from them. Some of them hear it from older siblings and on tv and they say the correct words but do not know the meaning.

        I hope what I am about to say does not offend or upset you.

        Many children are having sex or experimenting with sex by the age of 12. We have had some 6th graders who have been suspended because they were caught in the bathroom. Luckily, we have never had pregnant 6th graders but it does happen. It is very unfortunate, and distressing to think about but it is a fact. I think when I we were growing, sex ed was to teach us about puberty and what happens to your body. I think now, it is ia precation to teach children about protection and how to stay disease and pregnancy free.
        You're right, it is important to be straightforward about it. Kids listen better when you're direct and honest...actually everyone does.

        But I think that things aren't really worse for children than it used to be. Perhaps in some ways it is, but in some ways it's better. There are more teachers and neighbors and family members looking out for problems that used to be shoved under the rug 40 years ago.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by skookie
          But I think that things aren't really worse for children than it used to be. Perhaps in some ways it is, but in some ways it's better. There are more teachers and neighbors and family members looking out for problems that used to be shoved under the rug 40 years ago.
          That is definetly true. We may be shocked if a teen we know becomes pregnant but they are not ostersized like they were years ago. There are many prevention programs dealing with the problems we have today and they are very open. It is important to be open with children when it comes to all things in life, drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. If we (parents and loved ones) teach them they are much more likely to listen and ask questions. I was always given the oppportunity to talk to someone one else (aunt, older cousins, etc) in the family if I was uncomfortable with talking to my mom. That in itself helped me ask questions, that I was embarassed to ask my mom.
          MsTink

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          • #6
            I agree that kids need to be taught; however, I also believe in maintaining some semblance of innocence for them, too. Teaching 12-year-olds the nuances of sex???? Ah, that seems a bit young, doesn't it?????
            As the stars in their vast orbits, God's timing knows neither haste nor delay.

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            • #7
              I agree that 12 is very young to be talkingabout sex, but in reality, girls are getting their periods earlier, my cousin is 9 and she just got hers. I was 14 when I got mine. That means that if she has sex, she can get pregnant at 12 and there are 12 yar olds who are pregnant in elemantary school and middle school. I can't honestly say it is because no one taught them precautions, but it just might because of that. Children grow up too fast these days! But, I still think we shoudl prepare them for what is lying ahead in the future.
              MsTink

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              • #8
                Well just to jump in here ..

                No I don't really think that 12 is too young. Speeking from experience myself, I was quit young, and also having quite a few niece's and nephews.. about that age..

                They of course deny to me that they are active.. however they have admitted that they have a few friends whom are. I had the "talk" with my Niece last year about a few things. My sister refuses to believe it's possible.. but the kids today, they develope so fast that my Niece looks old enough to be 18. Fully developed if ya know what I mean. Anyway.. my sister was a bit annoyed with me at the moment, however she got over it rather quickly when she found out that her daughters girlfriend got caught with a boy.. so...

                I know 12 is young.. but children canni be watched all of the time.. Scary thought but its true..

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                • #9
                  You have a point, Wee Buttons; however, wouldn't it be a bit easier to just deal with the principles without going into graphic details about sex? Unfortunately, the media (books, magazines, tv, movies, music) are saturated with it, so kids get the wrong idea about it in the first place if that's where they're getting their education from. I pray my daughter doesn't get first-hand education in this area till she's married.
                  As the stars in their vast orbits, God's timing knows neither haste nor delay.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by suzy_homemaker
                    You have a point, Wee Buttons; however, wouldn't it be a bit easier to just deal with the principles without going into graphic details about sex? Unfortunately, the media (books, magazines, tv, movies, music) are saturated with it, so kids get the wrong idea about it in the first place if that's where they're getting their education from. I pray my daughter doesn't get first-hand education in this area till she's married.
                    Yes that would be wonderful to live without fear and only practice this action once you are married, but even still think of all the married couples that are cheating on each other.. That is just worse off..

                    and I noticed all this sex stuff a few years ago to be honest. My nieces are my angels.. and ya know.. good girls.. until one day the two of them, one was 10 or 11 at the time and the other 12, anyway they put on like a dance show for the family during one of our Holiday gatherings. Anyway, they outfits they put on.. and the DANCE moves straight from MTV man. Too sexy of a movement, with sexy play with a hat... and all that..

                    She got the moves from an Alicia Keys video when she first started and wore that ridiculous hat.. lol.. Anyway, between her, and that pig Brittany.. ya know.. they don't even need to pick certain things up at school anymore.

                    The internet is booming with sex, itís everywhere.. and I think.. ya know.. move with the times, donít be blind and protect your innocents by educating them.

                    When I got finished explaining to my Niece about AIDS and what I've learned about it all from going to meetings for a friend to support her many years back... she was floored..

                    When I was growing up.. The biggest horror was Teen Pregnancy.. now I swear.. take a pill and itís gone.. how easy has science made it for your kids to not only have sex, but even be stupid about doing it..

                    If only Pregnancy was the biggest problem still.. and I'm afraid that the AIDS issue is not going to get better.. so the more they know.. and see about that, then perhaps the more they will learn.

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                    • #11
                      I'll be writing alot about this later but let me tell you I'm 18 and am in an indepth school health class and I AM so happy I am in it. Its good to havbe these classes and I am speakin as a student in one. **** bell but ill be back!

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                      • #12
                        I just read the first post and can tell you that when you think your daughter may need to knwo is too late. I am a jr and the freshman (14!!) are more active then me. I wish most of the girls in my grade had gotten what we knwo now in the 9th grade it is appaulign and makes me sad to think that 15-16 yr olds need to have regualr trips to the gyno. But sex ed in science in health where ever just be happy shes learning because even though you feel you'll tell her she may not want to hear it fomr you. No offense I talk to my mom about lot's of things but most teens in my glass did an open survey about who they'd talk to and no one voted for parents. I've just learned about abortion last week and can tell you my views have completly changed.(did you knwo it wa sactualy a baby!) I thought it was just an egg. But its baby and they rip it apart LITERALY uh. I've also learned a GREAT deal about STD's. Did you know even with mutual masterbation you cna catch an std you can wash your hands a hundred times but if you touch your eye or w/e you can totlay get w/e that person had. I've learned alot I just wish all schools had the cours ei have. granted its theology and we learn about respecting our selves and all of that but the basics besides forming our character I just wish people knew. So just be happy your daughters learning somthing because most young girls and boys learn basiclay nothing. I have friends my age asking me questions they wished they'd known the answers to waaaaay back. Some parents haven't even been taught about what goes on and whats around now adays so I mean Not to preach but you shoudl just be thankful + it save syou the embarresment. no offense maybe you wouldnt be embarresed but I mean c'mon HPV is not the most comfortable subject.. ok well. thats my say on teh matter and if it wasn't clear SEX ED IS A GOOD THING!!

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                        • #13
                          I will never forget one day i was watching television and they were interviewing a group of teen mothers. Every single one of them said they'd wished they'd had more sex education in school and earlier... that if they had, that as much as they love their children, they would have put having them off until later in life. I think that says it all.

                          Some of those teens were very young. It may seem to Mee like a little much to give her child of 12 the full blown adult version of sex-ed all at once, but i think probably what works best is to introduce details steadily and gradually from early age... including kindergarten.... through high school. I think one of the most important things is to head off misinformation that kids will pick up from each other and media.

                          Most girls who wind up pregnant, or males and females who wind up with a sexually transmitted disease... didn't understand enough about our own bodies. It's hard to believe that many girls wind up pregnant without even understanding where babies come from... but it does happen. As soon as one girl in a class is having their first menses... there is going to be talk between them about growing up, becoming women, sex. Wouldn't you rather they get educated by their teacher rather than from another girl in class who heard whatever from her mother?

                          It helps to have sex ed in schools for several reasons, but one is because parents are often uncomfortable discussing it, and their children are often uncomfortable asking questions they have from a parent. A parent may choose to give their child the message, "just don't have sex," ...but without the child knowing the consequences of all sorts of choices... and hearing it from a teacher (sometimes at that age they start disregarding some of what their parent says as overprotective) they may not be motivated or understand why they shouldn't when they find themselves in a confusing situation or the heat of the moment.

                          Mee started out mentioning in particular talking about sex in a science class and felt it was inappropriate there as opposed to a health class. Well... science includes biology, and even when completely separate from the issue of teen sex, sex on the whole is a very big deal in science. Every toad, every tree, every microbe reproduces and it's central to all life on earth and many of our everyday concerns from growing vegetables to curing a cold are influenced by the sexual activity of the lifeform concerned. To me it would be odd to try to teach science without mentioning sex. In fact, it would be like taking the letter "e" out of every book.

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                          • #14
                            I just watched the 40 year old virgin and theres a scene when he takes his g/f teenage girl to the clinic to get birth control and the weird nurse kept telling them their other ways to have sex. That it's safe to do everything but have vaginal intercourse. um are you serious Everything you can get form that type of sex you can get from all the other types of sex. That to me is why kids are so unsafe with it because they go and see movies like that and think its ok. I was watching that scene and wanted to puke about all the kids that went and saw that and now think thats actual fact and will now go and do everything that "nurse" said was safe. It's disgusting
                            Yeah science and sex..gotta love it.

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                            • #15
                              This is mainly a response to the first post. Some of what I am saying here has been said by others but I feel the need to repeat it. Note: I will put ages in brackets since many of you seem to be from outside Scotland and so wont be used to the education ages and equivelents)

                              I am currently in 6th year in Secondary school (17 years old and 6th year is the last possible year of original schooling) and to be honest I thikn there should be a massive overhaul in how children are taught sex education and when they are taught it.

                              We started learning about sex education in Primary 7 (about 11-12 year olds) and for many of us, this started too late considering that many of us had already hit puberty and were told nothing of it. We were getting taught about how to deal with the beginings puberty after we had started it. Now what use is that to a child?

                              In 1st and 2nd year in Secondary (12-14 year olds) we went further into the biology of the organs and were told about the human reproductive cycle but it was implied to us that the genitals only had to make contact in order for men and women to create children.

                              From about 3rd to 5th year (14-17 year olds) we were taught about relationships (well not really, just how to say no when being pressured for sex), STD's (for those who didn't say no I guess) and contraceptives.

                              Truthfully, more was learned about sex education from the "chinese whispers" in the school playground than what we were taught in school. The Scottish system doesn't even teach about how to raise children and how to deal with them (there are good points about this and some negative points to this so I wont go too much into it here)

                              So the question you need to ask is, would you rather your child learn sex education properly in school where they will be taught facts or would you rather they base their entire sexual knowladge on what they are taught in the playground? Half of which is urban myths and blatant lies from the older children. Currently, children are basing at least 2/3rds of what they know sexually on what they hear in the playground. It shouldn't be like this because sexual "chinese whispers" is a vey dangerous thing that leads to pregnncy and STD's

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