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Old 23rd August 2001, 23:59
wdharrison wdharrison is offline
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I am a Canadian of mostly Scots descent and I have recently started to follow Scottish football, using mainly websites like fitba.com and scottishfootball.com.

There are some questions that I have not been able to find answers for and I am hoping that members of this forum might be patient enough to help me out. Your replies may be helpful to others who are new to this culture.

A few questions to start:

1. Why are Rangers fans called huns, and how derogarory is this meant to be?
2. Where did the term 'Old Firm' originate?
3. Keltic or seltic?
4. Is the 'g' in Ger hard or soft?
5. Does anyone know of a good beginner's guide to Scottish football?
6. Can Hibernian beat Celtic this weekend?

I'll be back.
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Old 26th August 2001, 07:22
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Well, I guess the answer to the Hibs/Celtic question is no, but at least my fellow Canadian Paul Fenwick (I used to watch him play for the Winnipeg Fury) got a goal on his birthday!
How about some answers to the other questions.
And one more: How does one pronounce 'bhoy' ?
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Old 26th August 2001, 14:15
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I am a Rangers supporter, but must confess i dont know the answer to your questions about the origin of the term "hun" ... someone else here will surely know. I wouldnt say it was particularly derogatory, but that could be because we hear it all the time and are used to it! It doesnt carry the "sting" it might have had in earlier days.

As to your other questions:

2. "The Old Firm"... i dont know if this is 100% accurate, but i read that it was a sarcastic name used by a newspaper back in the early 1900s because Rangers & Celtic were "hogging" all the honours and the clubs were making lots of money. This particular newspaper thought that this commercialism was interfering with sporting values, and the term was used at that time.

3. The team is pronounced "Seltic", but if you see the word in any other context it will be "keltic".

4. "G" in Ger is soft

5. There's a really good book called "The Old Firm" by Bill Murray. It wont tell you alot about any other teams in the league, though.

6. i wish.

7. Celtic fans pronounce it "boy", but Rangers fans pronounce it "ba-hoy", as a piss-take.


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Old 26th August 2001, 20:44
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Thanks for all the answers. Of course this brings up new questions such as, why is celtic the team pronounced differently from celtic the culture? And does anyone know the answer to the huns question?
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Old 26th August 2001, 21:40
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Quote:
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why is celtic the team pronounced differently from celtic the culture?
>grin< you'd better ask someone who is not a Celtic-hater! I might have my own answer to that one!
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Old 27th August 2001, 15:38
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I have a theory on your hun question. I am a Rangers fan and thought the same at one point, I think it comes from the Dutch word 'hun' which in English means 'them or they'. The reason it could be this is that Rangers (protestant club), Holland (the orange county), therefore the word may derive from Dutch being that Holland is a protestant country!!!!
hope that helps, its what i reckon could be true
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Old 27th August 2001, 18:33
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Could be.
I always just assumed it was them calling us uncivilised, heathen, savage, vandals, like those ones that invaded Europe in the 5th century. Attila and his mob.
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