Euro 2004

[Sire-Chris]

These mindless thugs everyone speaks of are a very hated and despised bunch. The way some posters on this site speak its as if its ingrained into every english person, and I hasten to add that in other sports we behave ourselves. Its a very organised proffession, hooliganism, and its something I dont have to share the blame or guilt over since it grates me as much as the next man. The evidence suggests it is more to do with organised violence, and thats a worldly problem ew all have to suffer. I am in favour of the removal of anyones passport caught doing it, as well as the banning of alcohol sales before 10pm to any english person whilst the tourny is on. Until it happens, we will have a problem. But its Englands problem, not scots, and you people seem to delight in bringing it up even though it doesnt concern you. Any chance to put down the english is taken around here.

The coverage, as I have already said, might be biased but there are plenty of foreign pundits, including two scots out of four today on the Beeb. Forgive me but if the BBC was overly biased surely they would have four englishmen? The commentators are far from perfect also, but then again since England are the only british team left in it and british people pay the license fee, they have a right to be in favour of them. I would not object if it was the same for scotland.

But then again we wont get to find that out for a long while. Scottish supporters cant be bothered getting behind their own team for some reason.

[Sire-Chris]

Besides, most people I know, and from what I gather popular opinion, couldnt give two hoots about the scottish team when they play. Neither in favour of or against. I know a select few who have an opinion but they are clearly in a minority. Who wants the scots to cheer for england? Who cares?

Not me for sure. Believe me, although you get the odd person inquiring there are millions who dont care, and therefore wont bother asking.

[unsubstantial]

Us scottish don't bother getting behind our team because there so s.h.i.t. The only game the scottish have any chance at is snooker, maybe darts, and that's because it takes no real athletic ability. Why do we care who supports who? I don't support england. Who cares? Why are we arguing? It's not like were actually going to change anyones views or opinion. It's football. There are more important things to kill each other about.

[Sire-Chris]

Originally posted by unsubstantial
Us scottish don't bother getting behind our team because there so s.h.i.t. The only game the scottish have any chance at is snooker, maybe darts, and that's because it takes no real athletic ability. Why do we care who supports who? I don't support england. Who cares? Why are we arguing? It's not like were actually going to change anyones views or opinion. It's football. There are more important things to kill each other about.

Did you even bother reading my last post? It kind of covers just about everything you just said. Ive noticed quite a few scottish people who "care" about what happens to england and thats why its being discussed. The BBC messageboard for football at the moment is very xenophobic for example.

[Dazmate]

Hello,

Oh, what a heated debate. Just picking up on some points:

Us scottish don't bother getting behind our team because there so s.h.i.t.
- Well that is a shame, but the Scottish people here are right behind there team everytime, which makes sense.

All I'm trying to say is what it all about, with Scots going out of there way to support the otherside against England, such as France match, when, apparently massive cheers went up here, when England lost. Of course don't support England but certainly don't support a non British team. It has a knock on effect of the English people who hear about this getting annoyed and stop supporting Scotland, what's the point in that? I know England is meant to be some enemy from thousands of years ago, but thats a long time to most people and its only football, after all.

You mentioned the media, I picked up a copy of the Scottish sun just to have a read and it had a campaign on it for Scots to back Crotia, as they would play England. Come on guys!!! Have a campaign to support any team in Britian who are playing, this time its only England, so why not make it them.

Also our football thugs are just sick and should be locked up, they are not real supporters. Remember they are the minority, 400 people out of 50,000 supporting the team.

Originally posted by Sire-Chris
its Englands problem, not scots, and you people seem to delight in bringing it up even though it doesnt concern you.

As long as the rest of the world considers England and Britain as synonymous, and as long as certain elements of the "British" press refer to the hooligans as British, it is our problem as much as it is yours. Scots get falsely tarred with the same brush as much as the great majority of well-behaved English supporters.

[Sire-Chris]

Originally posted by Neil_Caple

As long as the rest of the world considers England and Britain as synonymous, and as long as certain elements of the "British" press refer to the hooligans as British, it is our problem as much as it is yours. Scots get falsely tarred with the same brush as much as the great majority of well-behaved English supporters.

All imagined. I have never seen a report that refers to the hooligans in this championship as British. The very fact that they are draped in england flags at the time kind of negates anything else said really, as the images are far more shocking than anything the news reporters have to say.

Would you like to respond to the Scottish Sun article point and whether this style of reporting should make me anti-scottish or are you just focussing on english press in a desperate bid to victimise yourself?

I dont think for a second scottish supporters are tarred with the same brush at all. Although having said that, English supporters are, as demonstrated on this site and others. I always make an effort abroad to integrate and experience the local culture, and I don't expect to be treated like a vandal because of someone elses actions.