All new wind turbines

[THEMADFIFER]

I say paint them all in thistle colours. Make them a national emblem, something to be proud of and everytime one see's them they see a symbol of patriotism and national identity.

[Jamie-SNP]

Seriously though.... A lot of people who are against them are because they are really noticable on the landscape....

Wouldn't it be wise to just paint them in the colours of the surrounding landscape and camouflage them lol

[THEMADFIFER]

Totaly. personaly I do not understand the mentality. I like them, you could stick one in my back garden. Well so long as you let me paint it! lol

Although I like to think of myself as wanting to be green. This country going green would make little difference to the global implications being that China, the US, Russia and India are in no hurry to address matters.

However from an economic stand point we have the potential to build a massive industry and to sell we must promote.

What gets me with anti-turbine campaigners is that you may not want to see a turbine, but would you like your childrens children to see pollution, poverty and disease? Or sustainable habitats for all life?
I can only suggest we think more on the moral and ethical implications of not utilising them.

[tig]

i could be wrong but i think youl find most of those against them are middle and upper classes who would like to benefit from them but dont want to see them from their land/house

the NIMBY attitude

i think they look great and judging by the amount of people who go to see the ones around glasgow they are a growing tourist attraction too

[THEMADFIFER]

Aye, that I have also noticed. We had a proposed wind farm near by that has just been rejected. Greens came second to the SNP in the vote.

But when you think of rural areas likes where I am then typicaly it is the middle or upper class in owndership of the land. Our house along with 4 others are new builds on and old steading which was fought vigourously by the locals to block. Irony is as most of us keep horses and some livestock we actually put money in to the area. Via the local farmers, livery, villages, vets etc. So I cannot understand this mentality either. Probably jealousy as the local notables in the area may have wished to develope it themselves.

When it comes to the turbines I feel that people within a specified distance of them be given either free or subsidised power. This would help convince protestors when it comes to the creation of the farms.

I still do not think they are efficient enough to justify them but at the same time we have to start somewhere and the turbines can be changed with the support tower and cabling in place.

The big factor with independece looming is that green energy units are bought by the power companies at sometimes 5 times actual kilowatt value so that the company reaches carbon neutral targets. At the moment England imports power from France from nuclear stations. We can export green power south. Another export we can utilise and something that I hope oil revenue will help pay for whilst working towards hydrogen production via green electricity.

The other long term aim should be Hydrogen or Tritium (He3) Helium 3) nuclear fusion. The hydrogen process at the moment destroys the reactor where as Tritium is very rare and hard to make but is more stable. if only we can get to the moon, there is loads of it there!

Perhaps like the rest of my proposals the moon sums it up, but hey. We can but dream!

[jebus197]

A Scotsman on the moon? Lol, let's take one small step at a time first. It might be a small step for mankind, but it would be a pretty giant, giant leap for wee Malky McDonald frae Fife.

But we do have to look at our energy base. A lot of green power is currently subsidised. That 5 x the unit cost per KW hour is pretty much on the money. The gap is narrowing, but what happens when all the oil and gas run out? (Which it will, perhaps in as little as 30 years.) How will we meet our energy needs then? So renewables needs to be something we give very serious thought to very soon, even if for only the sake of our own survival. As a scientist, I agree on the nuclear front too, but I don't know what the nats policies are on that. It might be complicated to keep the stations we have already still running, as there may be international legal implications and building more could present similar problems. These are problems that need to be worked out carefully. Nonetheless I'm confident that they probably could be worked out eventually.

Power however is power, and without knowing where that power is going to come from and having a viable plan it's hard to see how Scotland as an independent country could possibly be a success.

[THEMADFIFER]

Spot on jebus! Never been in agreeance so much in my puff! Oh and I am a fifer, St Andrews born n bred....lol