WHATS your political compass?

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally Posted by Five-Finger Man

Poppycock Sonny-Jim! It certainly does not.

"conservative"* is used to describe those who wish to preserve prevailing ideologies and structures in society. The object of conservatism varies from place to place but conservatism doesn't. Your note on brutality is irrelevant.

*note the lower case c

I notice that my jokes go right over your head. Like the one about the brutality of the Tories - oh well, I'm either unfunny, or you're unamusable, one of the two.

Actually what you say is not completely accurate. The conservatives of the Communist stripe hope to make a permanent alteration in the structure of society and class, whereas the right wing conservatives hope to maintain what they approve of in the old system, and to have as little alteration as necessary.

The conservative Communists, invariably also advocate world revolution which runs counter to the notion of "preserving prevailing ideologies and structures in society". They also wish to eradicate traditional religious structures.

American conservatives are libertarian to a degree and anti-monarchist, Chinese conservatives authoritarian, British conservatives constitutional monarchists etc

[Five-Finger Man]

Originally Posted by Scottish_Republican

Actually what you say is not completely accurate. The conservatives of the Communist stripe hope to make a permanent alteration in the structure of society and class, whereas the right wing conservatives hope to maintain what they approve of in the old system, and to have as little alteration as necessary.

The conservative Communists, invariably also advocate world revolution which runs counter to the notion of "preserving prevailing ideologies and structures in society". They also wish to eradicate traditional religious structures.

I view both examples as a means to preserve prevailing structures and ideologies.

conservatism is contingent on the prevailing structures and ideologies and nothing else.

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally Posted by Five-Finger Man

I view both examples as a means to preserve prevailing structures and ideologies.

conservatism is contingent on the prevailing structures and ideologies and nothing else.

But is it?

The destruction of an old order is hardly "conservative".

If this is the case, then what the political compass calls "liberal" is also conservative according to your reckoning.

[Five-Finger Man]

Originally Posted by Scottish_Republican

Actually what you say is not completely accurate. The conservatives of the Communist stripe hope to make a permanent alteration in the structure of society and class, whereas the right wing conservatives hope to maintain what they approve of in the old system, and to have as little alteration as necessary.

let me clarify regarding conservative communists

The alteration has already been made. Ensuring its permanence is conservatism. They were not conservative prior to upheaval/revolution. Thus conservatism of a right or left wing individual is contingent on the left or right wing nature of prevailing ideologies/structures in society.

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally Posted by Five-Finger Man

let me clarify regarding conservative communists

The alteration has already been made. Ensuring its permanence is conservatism. They were not conservative prior to upheaval/revolution. Thus conservatism of a right or left wing individual is contingent on the left or right wing nature of prevailing ideologies/structures in society.

Not necessarily. The Conservative Communists (Stalinists etc) see an ongoing revolution, although not to the extent of Trotskyites. This involves the alteration of other countries, including the USA.