This is why scots wont join up

[Scottish_Republican]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the 51st Highlanders.

Left behind at Dunkirk, but rarely if ever mentioned in any commemorations...

First in and sometimes last to go. And made to do a good deal of England's dirty work in Northern Ireland.

There are historical regions, by removing a large section of the male population in difficult areas such as the Borders, and later the Highlands, you could kill two birds with one stone. 1) Do what you want with these areas e.g. clear them out (as happened to some of the families of Highland soldiers conquering India), and 2) expend the untermenschen on expanding your overseas territories in Quebec etc

[welsh]

Originally posted by Scottish_Republican
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the 51st Highlanders.



First in and sometimes last to go. And made to do a good deal of England's dirty work in Northern Ireland.

You fool, it's the scots in Ulster that's the problem, never see any Orange order bands walk the streets of England but they do all over Scotland, no need for a football team that represents the Orange order in England like you have in Glasgow Rangers. no Ulster English language but their is a Ulster scots language, so to call it Englands dirty work is a bit rich coming from a so called scottish republican....

Your ignorance is breathtaking!

I assume that all the people speaking English in the world are actually English people, are they? Or all the French speakers are really Frenchmen and women? Scots is a language, and Ulster Scots is a variant of it brought to Ireland by Scottish settlers in the 17th Century... about the same time English settlers were taking their language to North America. Are all those North Americans actually English today?

[Foxx]

Originally posted by Neil_Caple
Your ignorance is breathtaking!

I assume that all the people speaking English in the world are actually English people, are they? Or all the French speakers are really Frenchmen and women? Scots is a language, and Ulster Scots is a variant of it brought to Ireland by Scottish settlers in the 17th Century... about the same time English settlers were taking their language to North America. Are all those North Americans actually English today?

It could be argued that America became a republic and not a monarchy in 1789 because the Founding Fathers did not want to set up a rival English speaking empire.

I notice that as former members of the British Empire become independent they usually adopt the republican form of government.

Hence, only the British monarchy still exists in the English speaking world and Queen Elizabeth is still De Jure ruler of Canada and Australia and other parts of the Commonwealth.

[Scottish_Republican]

"You fool, it's the scots in Ulster that's the problem, never see any Orange order bands walk the streets of England but they do all over Scotland, no need for a football team that represents the Orange order in England like you have in Glasgow Rangers. no Ulster English language but their is a Ulster scots language, so to call it Englands dirty work is a bit rich coming from a so called scottish republican...."

Actually Everton and Liverpool, and Manchester City and Manchester United have all been RC/Protestant teams in their time. Liverpool still has Orange walks.

Scots in Ulster eh? Blaming them for conquering Ireland before they were annexed by the English state, is like blaming the Indians for the conquest of Africa, Trinidad, Fiji etc, because the Brits used lots of them for work in those places.

By the way, "Welsh" (not that you are really Welsh), the "republican" part of my name is nothing to do with the Irish tradition. I am a Scottish republican, and while I wish Ireland a happy and united future, I am no Green Brit like Labour voting Celtic fans. My main interest is in an independent Scottish republic.

[Scottish_Republican]

"It could be argued that America became a republic and not a monarchy in 1789 because the Founding Fathers did not want to set up a rival English speaking empire."

It can also be argued that the Founding Fathers were sick of taxes going overseas, when the ordinary folk of the 13 colonies could have been paying their taxes to them instead.

George Washington was offered the Crown, but wisely chose not to take it. This is a forgotten event. Oddly enough though, the Washington coat of arms does look vaguely like the US ones. Stars and Red Stripes if nothing else. The WASP landowners managed to organise themselves into a quasi-aristocracy of sorts in New England, so that many of them remained senators etc in later years. They also defeated their rival aristocracy in the "South". Families like the Bushes still remain at the top of the tree.

But this is off topic for this forum...

"I notice that as former members of the British Empire become independent they usually adopt the republican form of government."

Yes and no. A lot of the Commonwealth countries retain the Queen of England as "head of state", notably Canada, Australia and New Zealand. I don't think Scotland should go down that road, partly because it cannot afford to.