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[Eleana]

((My apologoes for typos and other errors, I am pretty ill at the moment and barely can concentrate...))

Are there any actions from us which you could call un-biased at all then?

[Artoo]

Originally posted by Eleana
((My apologoes for typos and other errors, I am pretty ill at the moment and barely can concentrate...))

Are there any actions from us which you could call un-biased at all then?

I'd say 'no' - every personal action is biased. The effect of bias is removed (or at least reduced) when many researchers address the topic and come to a concensus. Albert Einstein was biased but the Theory of Relativity isn't.


(hope you recover soon!)

[Eleana]

(feeling much better!!!)

let me think through this again.

All we are doing is biased. Then all theories, hypothesis and assumptions must be biased too.

Consequently theory of relativity is biased too. Instead laws of natures are un-biased.

Which leads me back: science is un-biased. The scientist may be biased.

[DevineHerring]

At the risk of sounding a bit too existential... Science does not (cannot) exist apart from the scientist. All investigative endeavor is biased by the limitations (in the extentded sense) of the investigator and the limits placed on the investigation both natural and induced.

[Eleana]

Interesting thought, devine! How can it be? Why does science need a scientist? Could it not exist per se?

[DevineHerring]

Eleana,

I fear that we are going to end up tossing semantics back and forth but I think not..
"Science", as knowledge, method or Grand Concept,is itself a creation of the "scientist", a construct in which to order perceptions. So I would postulate that the thing removed from the context of its' creation ceases to exist.
Are there absolutes beyond perception ? Without a doubt, but our inability to percieve them precludes our knowlegde (science) of them, therefore the science does not exist.

Can you give us an example of something that can exist devoid of context without invoking a religious dogma (that's a different forum)?




[Edited by DevineHerring on 24th May 2004 at 21:00]

[Eleana]

I am afraid I am at aloss of explanations. It appears to me very fundamental not to allow unbias at all. Every belief can end up in a dogma. Everything can be turned into strong beliefs. Religion has the most potential of bias if all...

Thank you all for the discussion!