SOME important QUESTIONS.minister i CHALLANGE U to answer??kaz.

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In the name of Allah(Almighty God), the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
This is not bashing Christianity, just real questions to either ask or ask yourself.


TRINITY:

According to most Christians, Jesus was God-incarnate, full man and full
God. Can the finite and the infinite be one? "To be full" God means freedom from
finite forms and from helplessness, and to be "full man" means the absence of divinity.

1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one's
son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in
John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn't Jesus clearly say that
people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which
has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE
AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?

3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man,
Messiah, and "saviour". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke
of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of
God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis
6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means
"God's anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the
anointed". As for "saviour", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too
without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the
word son is not exclusively used for him alone?

4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of
nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23,
Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they
give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones"?

5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?

6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete
God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn't a
complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn't that contradict
what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ?
Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed
crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?

7.If God is one and three at a time, then who was the God in heaven when
Jesus was on earth? Wouldn't this contradict his many references to a God in Heaven
that sent him?

8.If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three
days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrect ion?

9.Christians say that: "The Father(F) is God, the Son(S) is God, and the Holy
Ghost(H) is God, but the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy
Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the Father". In simple arithmetic and terms therefore,
if F = G, S = G, and H = G, then it follows that F = S = H, while the second part of the
statement suggests that F ¹ S ¹ H (meaning, "not equal"). Isn't that a
contradiction to the Christian dogma of Trinity in itself ?

10.If Jesus was God, why did he tell the man who called him "good master"
not to call him "good" because accordingly, there is none good but his God in Heaven
alone?

11.Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in three when
Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one Lord" in as many places as yet in
the Bible?

12.If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a
Christian, why didn't Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time?
How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term
Trinity? Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized
it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.

13.Christians claim that Jesus was God as they quote in John 1:1 "In the beginning was
the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". This is John
speaking and not Jesus. Also, the Greek word for the first occurrence of God is
HOTHEOS which means "the God" or "God" with a capital "G", while the Greek word
for its second occurrence is "TONTHEOS", which means "a god " or "god" with a
small "g". Isn't this dishonesty and inconsistency on the part of those translating
the Greek Bible? ? Isn't such quotation in John 1:1 recognized by every Christian scholar
of the Bible to have been written by a Jew named Philo Alexandria way before Jesus and John?

14.Wasn't the word "god" or "TONTHEOS" also used to refer to others as well as in II
Corinthians 4:4 "(and the Devil is) the god of this world" and in Exodus 7:1 "See , I
have made thee (Moses ) a god to Pharaoh"?

SALVATION:

Christians say that "GOD LOST His only son to save us". To whom did God
lose Jesus if he owns the whole universe?

15. If it was agreeable with God's Majesty to have sons, He could have
created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is the big clear deal about this
only son?

16.Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the
one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?

17. If God had wanted to save us, couldn't He have done that without
sacrificing Jesus?

18. God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be punished for
the sins of others, nor should some people be saved by punishing other people.
Doesn't the claim that God sacrificed Jesus to save us because He was Just,
contradict the definition of justice?

19. People sacrifice things they have to get something they don't have when they
can't have both. Christians say that "God SACRIFICED His only son to save us".
We know that God is Almighty; to whom did He sacrifice Jesus?

20. A real sacrifice is when you can't get back what you have offered ,
so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God could recover the same
offering? (according to the Christians' terminology)?

21. If all the Christians are saved through Jesus and are going to Heaven
no matter what they do, then the teachings of Jesus are irrelevant and the
definition of good and bad are also rendered irrelevant. If this is not so, then
do Christians who believe in Jesus yet do not follow his teachings nor repent go
to Hell?

22. How can Christians take deeds as irrelevant after becoming one when
Jesus says in Matthew 12:36; "But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. For by the words thou
shalt be justified, by the words thou shalt be condemned"?

23. Christians say that people go to Heaven ONLY THROUGH JESUS, yet Paul says
in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 that the unbelieving husband is acceptable to God
because he is united with his wife and vice versa, and their pagan children are
also acceptable to God. So people can go to heaven without believing in Jesus
according to this.

24. How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although they don't
believe in Jesus? Doesn't that contradict the claim in the Bible that the only way
to heaven is through Jesus?

25. According to Christians, those who have not been baptized will go to
Hell. So even the infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized, since they are born
with an inherited original sin. Doesn't this contradict the definition of justice? Why
would God punish people for sins they never committed?

Holy Spirit:

The only place in the Bible where the Paraclete was called the Holy
Spirit is in John 4:26 "But the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father
will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance
all that I have said to you". What has the Holy Spirit brought or taught for the
last 2000 years?

26.Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 14;26).
Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you".
This could not mean the Holy spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there
before Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit".
Here, the Holy spirit was also present during Jesus life time. So how could this fit
with the condition that Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?

27.In John 16:7-8, it says: "But if go, I will send him to you. And when
he comes, he will convict the world of sins and of righteousness and of Judgment".
What do "he" and "him" refer here? DonÕt they refer to a man?

28.Does the Holy Spirit talk to good Christians and bad Christians as
well? Is the Holy spirit with them all the time or just at certain times? When
does it start visiting a person who wants to become a Christian?

29.How can you as a Christian tell if the Holy Spirit is inside another
Christian? How come many Christians fooled people by claiming that the
Holy spirit was inside them only to be converted to another religion later on ?

30.Does the Holy Spirit dictate what Christians should do without choice
or freedom at all or does it only guide them and they have the freedom to follow or not ?

31.If the Holy Spirit dictates what Christian should do, why do Christians commit sins
and make mistakes ? How can you explain the conversion to other religions
and atheism of many Christians? Are they told to do that by the Holy Spirit?

32.If the Holy Spirit guides Christians only, and they are free to do what they want,
then how do we know that the writers of the Gospels didn't make mistakes in writing
them?

33.If Christians believe that the Holy Spirit comes and talks to them everyday, why
don't they ask the Holy Spirit about which version of the Bible to follow since there are
too many versions floating around?

MISSION OF JESUS:


Without borrowing from other religions and systems, can Christianity provide people
with a complete way of life? Since Christianity is limited to spiritual life and does not
provide law, how can a society decide which laws are right or wrong?

34.Why do the Christians say that Jesus came with a universal mission when he said
that he was sent to the Jews only? He said to the Canaanite woman who asked him to
heal her daughter from demon-possession: "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel"
and also said: "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs",
Matthew 15:21-28.

RESSURECTION:


If you read Matthew (28:1-10), Mark (16:1-20), Luke (24:1-12), and John (20: 1-18),
you will find contradicting stories. They all agreed that the tomb was guarded for three days.
However, they reported the discovery of the empty tomb differently.

Matthew (28) and John (20) reported that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were
the first to discover the tomb. Mark (16) reports that Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother
of James, and Salome were the first to discover the empty tomb.

Mark (28) reports that there was an earthquake that removed the rock from over the tomb.
He says that an angel caused it.

The other gospels do not mention of an earthquake. Matthew and Mark say that only ONE
man in white clothes was sitting on the tomb when the woman arrived, and that he was an angel.

Luke says that TWO men in white clothes, who were angels, were sitting. Johns says that the two
women did not meet anybody the first time they came to the tomb, but when they returned, they
saw TWO people, ONE was an ANGEL, and the other was JESUS.

Matthew reports that when the guards reported this to
the chief priest, the chief priest paid them a large sum of
money, telling them: "You have to say that his disciples came at
night and stole his body." He claims that the soldiers took
money and spread the story around and since then, the story had
been circulating among the Jews until today (according to Matthew).

The other gospels do not report of any such thing.

35. Which narration now is more authentic?

36.Why is the appearance of Jesus after the crucifixion taken as a proof
of his resurrection when there is an explanation that he was not dead
because someone else was crucified in his place when God saved Him?

37.How did Matthew know of the claimed agreement between the soldiers and
the chief priest? Can't someone say that someone paid the women a large
sum of money and told them to spread the word around that Jesus rose from
the dead, with the same authenticity as that of the story of Matthew?

38.Why did they believe that man in the white clothes? Why did they
believe he was an angel? John's narration is too strange, since he
says that Mary did not recognize Jesus(one of the two) while talking
to him, and she only recognized him when he called her by her name.

39.How does an empty tomb prove that Jesus was crucified ? Isn't it that
God is capable of removing another man from the tomb, and of resurrecting
him too?

40.The Gospels are believed to be the verbatim words of God, they are
supposed to be dictated by the Holy Spirit to the Disciples who wrote
them. If the source were the same, why shouldn't they correspond with
each other in reporting such an important event?

41.How could Matthew, Mark, Luke and John be considered eyewitnesses of
resurrection when the Bible implies that nobody at all saw Jesus coming
out of the tomb?

BIBLE:
If the Christians consider the Old Testament as God's Word, why did they
cancel the parts of the Old Testament that dealt with punishment (example:
the punishment for adultery)?

42.Why doesn't Mark 16:9-20 exist in as many versions of the Bible while
it exists as a footnote or between brackets in some other versions? Is a
footnote in the Bible still considered as God's word, especially when it
addresses an important feature like the Ascension?

43.Why does the Catholic Bible contain 73 books while the Protestant
Bible has only 66? With both claiming to have the complete Word of God,
which one should be believed and why?

44.Where do those new translations of the Bible keep coming from when the
original Bible is not even available ? The Greek manuscripts which are
translations themselves are not even similar with each other.

45.How can you take two gospels from writers who never met Jesus, like
Mark and Luke?

46.Why is half of the New Testament written by a man who never even met
Jesus in his lifetime? PAUL claimed with no proof that he had met Jesus
while on his way from Jerusalem to Damascus. PAUL was the main enemy of
Christianity. Isn't that reason enough to question the authenticity of
what he wrote? Why do the Christians call those books of the Old Testament
"God's Word" when the revisers of the RSV Bible say that some of the
authors are UNKNOWN? They say that the author of SAMUEL is "UNKNOWN"
and that of CHRONICLES is "UNKNOWN, PROBABLY COLLECTED AND EDITED BY EZRA"!

CONTRADICTIONS:

47.Concerning the controversial issues in the Bible, how can Christians
decide by two-thirds majority what is God's Word and what is not, as the
prefaces of some Bibles say like that one of the RSV ?

48.Why does Luke in his gospel report the Ascension on Easter Day, and in
the Acts, in which he is recognized as the author, FORTY days later?

49.The genealogy of Jesus is mentioned in Matthew and Luke only. Matthew
listed 26 forefathers from Joseph to David while Luke enumerated 41
forefathers.
Only Joseph matches with Joseph in those two lists. Not a single other name
matches! If these were inspired by God word by word, how could they be
different?
Some claim that one is for Mary and one is for Joseph, but where does it
says
Mary in those two Gospels?

50.If Moses wrote the first books of the Old Testament, how could Moses
write his own obituary? Moses died in the fifth book at age 120 as mentioned
in
Deut. 34:5-10.

51.In the King James Version, why does it report SEVEN years of famine in II
SAMUEL 24:13 while it reports THREE years of famine in I CHRONICLES 21:12?
Why did they change both to THREE years in the New International Version
and other versions?

52.Still In the same King James Version, why does it say that Jehoiachin
was eight years old when he began to reign in II CHRONICLES 21:12, while
it says EIGHTEEN years in II KINGS 24:8? Why did thessey change in both to
EIGHTEEN in the new Versions?

53.In all versions, why does it say that David slew the men of SEVEN HUNDRED
chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand HORSEMEN as evidenced in II
Samuel 10:18 while its says SEVEN THOUSAND men which fought in chariots, and
forty thousand FOOTMEN, in I CHRONICLES 19:18?

54.In all versions, why does it report TWO thousand baths in I KINGS 7:26
while II CHRONICLES 4:5 reports THREE THOUSAND?

55.In the King James version, why does it report that Solomon had FOUR
THOUSAND stalls for horses in II CHRONICLES 9:25 while it accounts that
Solomon had FORTY THOUSAND stalls of horses in 1 KINGS 4:26? Why did they
change both to FOUR THOUSAND in the new versions?

56.In GENESIS 1, God's creation progresses from grass to trees to fowls,
whales, cattle and creeping things and finally to man and woman. GENESIS 2,
however, puts the creation of man before cattle and fowl and woman
subsequent
to beast. How can this be explained?

QUR'AN AND CHRISTIANS

This section does not inquire or interrogate, but rather provides the
reader with some of the Qur'anic verses that address the Christians
in particular, and the people of the scripture in general. A great
portion of the Qur'an pertains to or involves the Christians and the
Jews and I decided to just choose verses that are related to the
topic of this manuscript.


"Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam.
He created him of dust, then said unto him: Be, and he was."
Al-Qur'an 3:59.

"Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us
and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall
ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others
for Lords besides Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear
witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto him).

"O People of the Scripture! Why will you argue about
Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were revealed till
after him? Have you then no sense?

Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an
upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was
not of the idolaters.

Lo! Those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham
are those who followed him, and his Prophet and those
who believe (with him); and Allah is the Protector of the
believers.

A party of the People of the Scripture longs to make you go
astray; and they make none to go astray except themselves,
but they perceive not.

O People of the Scripture! Why disbelieve you in the
revelations of Allah, when you (yourselves) bear witness
to their truth?

O People of the Scriptures! Why confound you truth with
falsehood and knowingly conceal the Truth? (Al-Qur'an 3:
64-71)

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be
accepted of him and in the hereafter, He will be one of the losers
(Al-Qur'an 3:85).

Ê And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus, son of
Mary, and Allah's messenger. They slew him not nor crucified
him, but it appeared so unto them, and Lo! Those who disagree
concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof
save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain:

But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever
Mighty, Wise. (Al-Qur'an 4:157-158).

O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor
utter ought concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah Jesus
son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which
He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him, so believe in
Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three"! Cease! (it is )
better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His
transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is
in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient
as defender.

The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor
will the favoured angels. Whosoever scorns His service and
is proud, all such will assemble unto Him.

Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto
them will He give them their wages in full, adding unto
them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful
and proud, then He will punish with a painful doom."
(Al-qur'an 4:171-173).

"And with those who say Lo! We are Christians, We made a
covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were
admonished. Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred
among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform
them of their handiwork.

O People of the Scripture! Now has our messenger come
unto you, expounding unto you much of that which you
used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. Now has
come unto light from Allah and plain scripture:

Whereby Allah guides him who seeks His good pleasure
unto paths of peace, He brings them out of darkness unto
light by His decree, and guides them unto a Straight Path.

They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the
messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do ought against
Allah if he had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary,
and his mother and everyone on earth? allah's is the
sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is
between them. He creates what he wills. And Allah is able
to do all things. (Al-qur'an 5:14:17).

"They surely disbelieve who say; Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of
Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O children if Israel, worship
Allah, my Lord and you Lord. Lo! Whosoever ascribes partners
unto Allah, for him Allah has forbidden Paradise. His abode is the
Fire. For evildoers ,there will be no helpers.

They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of
the three; when there is no God save the One God. If they
desist not from so saying, a painful doom will fall on those
of them who disbelieve.

Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of
Him? For Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.

Say: Serve you in place of Allah that which possesses for
you neither hurt nor use? Allah is the Hearer, the Knower.

Say: O People of the Scripture! Stress not in your religion
other than the Truth, and follow not the vain desire of
folks who erred of old and led many astray, and erred from
a plain road." (Al-qur'an 5:72-77)

"And when Allah says: O Jesus, son of Mary: Did you say unto
mankind: take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?, he
says: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no
right. If I used to say it, then You Knew it, You know what is in
my mind, and I know not what is in Your mind. Lo! You, only
You, are the knower of things hidden.

I spoke unto them only that which You commanded me
(saying); worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I witness
of them while I dwelt among them, and when You took me,
You were the Watcher over them. You are witness over all
things.

If You punish them, Lo! They are Your slaves, and if you
forgive them (Lo! They are Your slaves). Lo! You, only
you are the Mighty, the Wise.

Allah says: This is a day in which their truthfulness profits
the truthful, for theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers
flow, wherein they are secure forever, Allah taking
pleasure in them and they in Him. That is the great
triumph. (Al-qur'an 5:116-119)

"And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the
Christians say: 'The Messiah is the son of Allah'. That is their
saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who
disbelieved of old. Allah fights against them. How perverse they
are!

They have taken as Lord besides Allah their rabbis and
their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were
bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save
Him. Be He glorified from all that they ascribe as partners
(unto him)!

Faint would they put out the light of Allah with their
mouths, but Allah disdains (ought) save that He shall
perfect His light, however much the disbelievers are
averse.

He it is Who has sent His messenger with guidance and the
Religion of Truth, to cause it to prevail over all religions,
however much the idolaters may be averse.

O you who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and
the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind
wantonly and debar (people) from the way of Allah. They
who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way
of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a
painful doom.

On the Day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of Hell,
and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be
branded therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is
that which you hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what
you used to hoard." (Al-qur'an 9:30-35).

MUHAMMAD OR JESUS?

Christians claim that the prophecy in Deut. 18:18 refers to Jesus and not
Muhammad.
The verse says: "I will raise them up a prophet from among THEIR BRETHREN,
LIKE UNTO THEE, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak
unto
them all that I shall command him." The only reason they resort to such
interpretation is that both Moses and Jesus were prophets. Even this one
contradicts their claim that Jesus was God and not a Prophet. Many prophets
of the Jews had the similarity with Moses.
However, if we compare Muhammad to Moses, we will find that:

Muhammad was an Arab, and the Arabs are from Ishmael, son of Abraham, while
Moses was a Jew, and the Jews are from Isaac, son of Abraham. Hence, the
term
THEIR BRETHREN refers to the children of the first son being brethren of
the children of the other. This couldn't apply to Jesus, since he was a Jew.

According to the Christians, Jesus went to Hell for three days while
Moses did not. Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses.
(In Islam, none of the three Prophets went to Hell)

Moses and Muhammad were born to fathers and mothers while Jesus was born
to amother alone.

Moses and Muhammad got married and had children, while Jesus did not
marry at all.

Moses and Muhammad got problems and difficulties from their people
initially, but were accepted by them at the end., whereas Jesus was
rejected by his people at the start and is still rejected by the Jews
until today. "He (Jesus) came unto his own, but his own received him not".
( John 1:11)

Moses and Muhammad had power, besides being prophets. They both performed
some capital punishments, for example, while Jesus had no power over his
people. "My kingdom is not of this world", Jesus said in John 18:36 .

Moses and Muhammad brought new laws while Jesus did not.

Moses was forced to emigrate in adulthood to Median while Muhammad was
forced to emigrate at that stage in his life too, towards Madina . Whereas
Jesus
did not have such forced emigration in his adulthood .

Moses and Muhammad both died of natural deaths after which they were
buried ,while the same could not be said of Jesus. He was neither killed
nor crucified at all, according to the Qur'an and did not die a 'natural'
death as could be affirmed by Christians who believe in Crucifixion.

FINAL QUESTIONS:

57.Why won't you, Christian reader, come to hear and learn of the true
religion of Jesus?

58.Have you, as a Christian , learned of Islam and if so, was it from the
true Muslims?

59.As a Christian, do you agree that out of fairness and honesty you must
investigate what Islam says about God, Jesus, including this life and the
hereafter?

60.Being a Christian, do you also believe that we must all stand
accountable to our Creator and that the Creator is Perfect and Just?
As a sincere believer in God, don't you owe it upon yourself to find out
the entire unadulterated truth regardless of the consequences?

I invite you to read, learn or ask information about Islam by visiting
and making use of any available Mosques or Islamic Centres in your area
or by paying a visit to the Web Site. http://www.isgkc.org

By: Hussein Khalid Al-Hussein

Interesting huh?


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I hope you will come to find that Islam is offering people a
pure way to God without corruption. I am praying for you and ask Allah
to guide you and all humanity.




best regards to all members.. kaz

[mcil]

First class effort, Kaz, but what makes you so sure that there really is a God, and what is the nature of this God?

[kazanova3]

The Existence of God

The concept of a Supreme Creator of the universe has been something, which the western world has been trying to prove or refute now for thousands of years. However, only in the past 200 years have the creme de la creme of western intellectuals, come to the conclusion that a God/Creator of the universe is and has been a figment of mans imagination. This conclusion was formed as a reaction to the beliefs and practices of Christianity, which was a major force in European life at this time. Beliefs such as that of the Trinity[1] and the divine nature of Jesus Christ, were so complicated to understand - even for the elite of the church - that eventually the idea of a supreme and perfect creator (which Christianity had distorted) was replaced by many new theories which tried to explain how mankind came about and developed. Many different theories were introduced to the western world, but one common trait, which they all shared, was that there was no Supreme force, which governed the universe.

So where does Islam come into all of this? Islam[2] is the one way of life, the one religion which until now has not been challenged successfully by any philosopher, atheist or intellectual. Rather the case has been the exact opposite and there have been thousands, if not millions, of so-called 'atheists' who have reverted back to Islam. So how does Islam explain the existence of this Supreme Creator?

The Natural Way

Allaah says in his final revelation, the Qur'aan:

"Therefore turn your face steadfastly towards the true faith, away from all that which is false, in accordance with the Pure nature with which Allaah has Created people. Let there be no altering in the laws of Allaah's Creation. This is surely the true religion, but most people do not know it."
(Surah Ar-Rum 30:30)

The pure nature which is mentioned in this verse is probably the most convincing proof of a divine creator to any sincere seeker of truth. Which person can deny (atheist or otherwise) that when he/she is in dire trouble, when life is about to be taken away from them, when the pressures are unbearable - that then do they turn to that force above the skies. How many times are we confronted by a scenario in which the words: "Please God help me, and I promise that Iwill always pray to you and be good." roll off our tongues with such sincerity? Every time something bad happens, words such as these come out of the people's mouths. Yet as soon as the harm is removed the very same people beseeching the help of their creator, turn away:

"And whatever of blessings and good things you have, it is from Allah. Then, when harm touches you, unto him you cry aloud for help. Yet no sooner does he remove your ills then some of you set up partners to their lord."
(Surah An-Nahl 16:53-54)

This pure nature which every human is born with is known as the Fitrah in the Arabic language. Every human being, man or woman is born with this natural instinct to recognise the Creator and turn to Him. This is proved by the hadeeth[5] of the last messenger to mankind Muhammed (s.a.w.) who said: "Every child is born upon the pure fitra, it is only his parents that later turn him into a Jew, a Christian, or a Magian.[6]"[7]

In fact if humans were not influenced by their societal pressures then their belief in the Creator would be distinct and clearly visible. But unfortunately this is not the case, and there exists in all non-Muslim societies a clear trend to distort the nature of human beings. One of the ways in which this is done in western societies is through the education system and its institutions. Western education is based around a whole body of secular thought which has no place for a Creator. In science lessons kids are taught that we are the ancestors of monkeys and apes and that this implies that we came about by pure chance.[8] In subjects such as psychology and sociology we are taught that religion is a tool of the privileged few who oppress the downtrodden majority.[9] This form of education has also unfortunately influenced the Muslims, and we find it very common nowadays to see the likes of the 'Abdullaah's' and the 'Fatima's' of western society proclaiming that they do not believe in God.

The Beauty of creation

Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

"Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth, in the alternation of night and day, in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of the people, in the water which Allaah sends down from the skies reviving with it the dead earth and dispersing over it all kinds of beasts, in the change of the winds, and in the clouds that run their appointed courses between heaven and earth: In all of this, indeed there are signs for people of understanding."
(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:164)

SubhaanAllaah![11] How beautiful and accurate this verse is. Is it not true that when we look at the world around us we see such beauty and craftsmanship. Surely such excellence could not have come about by chance. Everything in this world and universe runs on a set course and pattern, so how is it possible then, that by pure chance everything in this universe was created with such skill and precision?

The wonders of nature are absolutely astounding, the wind, the rain, the hail and the snow were all products of chance, then why is it that mankind, with all his technological know how, cannot even divert the softest of breezes which blows through the trees in summer? The answer is obvious. All these natural elements are aspects of Allaah's Creation and he alone can control and manipulate them as he wills.

In fact the Creation of Allaah is so perfect that even if we try to detect a fault in it, then we will not succeed:

"Blessed he He to Whom all sovereignty belongs; He has power over all things. He Who Created death and life that He may test which of you is best in deed. He is the Almighty, the Oft-forgiving. He Who Created the seven heavens one above another. You can see no fault in the Creation of the Bestower of Mercy. Turn up your eyes: Can you detect a single flaw? Look once more, and yet again: Your sight will in the end grow humbled and weary."
(Surah Al-Mulk 67:1-4)

It is not just the seas, the mountains, the rivers and the skies which are a proof for the existence of our Creator, but also ourselves. Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

"On the earth are signs visible to all who have faith with certainty, just as there are signs within your ownselves. Will you then not see?"
(Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51:20-21)

The variety of humanity is indeed amazing, black and white, tall and short, fat and thin, good and evil, man and woman etc. etc. How many times have we considered the complex makeup of our bodies both physical and mental and found it to be completely beyond belief. It is known that if the intestines of a human being were taken out of the body, they would be so long that they could cover the entire area of a tennis court!

But when we think about these long intestines being inside of us, it astounds and amazes us. The human brain is thought to be more powerful that any mainframe computer on earth, whilst the eye is said to be more complex and structured then any telescope invented by man. The human mind is something which is still undiscovered by psychologists and psychiatrists, and the nature of our dreams and thoughts is something which these people will probably never unravel. So we should ask ourselves, is it still possible for such a complex being such as ourselves, to be a mere product of chance, or rather, are we products of a supreme and skillful creator, who has shown us that he really is Al-Khaliq?[14]

Yet despite our complicated and intricate makeup, our comparison to the Creator is not even possible. Mankind with his level of technology has gained the impression that he is the most supreme being in this universe. Yet when we look at examples of western society we see that these same humans who claim such superiority, cannot even maintain basic standards of hygiene! Washing the body-parts after urinating or excreting has almost become a sin for many people in the west, yet at the same time these people are the very same who claim technological advancement! Maybe if they believed in a Creator, the basics of life would perchance return to them, just as they have returned to the Muslims.

The proofs for the existence of a creator are so numerous that it would take us a very long time to go through every single one. So finally we should remember, that the creation of humanity was neither an accident, nor a development from monkey to man. Rather it was the creation of Allah the Most High, the Most Perfect, who reminds us of the stupidity of those who claim that He did not create us:

"Were they created of nothing? or were they perchance, their own creators? or did they create the heavens and the earth? surely they have no firm belief."
(Surah At-Tur 52:35-36)



Footnotes

1 The belief that the Father (God), the son (Jesus) and the Holy spirit (?) are all parts of one God, despite the fact that they are 3 separate entities!! To this very day millions of Christians are still unable to understand this belief, which is one of the reasons why it has even been thrown out of some versions of the Bible.
2 The meaning of Islam is to 'sincerely submit your will, to the will of Allaah (God)'.
3 Surah Ar-Rum 30:30
4 Surah An-Nahl 16:53-54
5 Hadeeth: A report of the Prophet Muhammed's (s.a.w.'s) sayings, actions or approvals.
6 A Magian is another word for a fire worshipper.
7 Sahih Muslim.
8 This theory was made popular by a man known as Charles Darwin.
9 This is the view of the German scientist Karl Marx.
10 Surah AI-Baqara 2:164.
11 Glory be to Allaah who is free form any imperfection.
12 Surah Tabarak 67:14
13 Surah Az-Dhariyat 51:20-21.
14 The supreme creator: This is one of the many attributes of Allaah.
15 Surah At-Tur 52:35-36

I HOPE I ANSWERED YOU .. best regards.. kaz

If it is your contention that the Universe is so perfect it must have been created, then what of that most perfect thing of all, your God? How did God come into being? Who or what created the creator?

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The Atheist position is indeed hopeless. The believer has hope. If there is a God and there is life after death then the believer wins. If there is no God or no life after death the believer loses nothing. On the other hand, the Atheist loses badly if he wakes up to discover himself in the afterlife. In sum, if there is no afterlife both the believer and the Atheist are safe. But if there is an afterlife then the Atheist loses. The only one who can possibly lose is the Atheist.....




best regards..kaz

Kaz,
My view on this is diametrically opposed to yours. If a believer spends his or her entire life waiting for an afterlife, and it turns out not to exist, the believer has lost everything, including the one shot at life he or she had. Think, for example, of the poor peasant who lives a life of miserable toil and suffering, but tolerates it all because his priest or rabbi or imam has convinced him he'll be rewarded in the next life as long as he doesn't question too much in this one. If there is no afterlife, the poor peasant has lost everything.

If, on the other hand, a person is an atheist and believes that this life is the one and only life he or she will ever experience, the atheist is going to make the best of the life he or she has. The atheist is not going to accept misery believing that it will all be made right in the afterlife. The atheist will live this life right. If it turns out that the atheist is wrong, what has been lost? The atheist has lived a full and productive life and has died content, and now finds there is more!

I take it your contention is that God will abandon or punish the atheist for not believing and that the atheist will suffer eternal punishment? I cannot believe that a God who is as just and loving and merciful as you believe could be so mean and petty as to punish a good person who has lived well but who has not believed in the existence of God. Or that He would reward a bad person who just happened to believe in His existence during life.

This is all part of the fallacy of Free Will; we have the freedom to choose, but if we make the wrong choice we are damned. That is no freedom or choice. I want no part of a God who could be so evil.

If God does not exist, I lose nothing but you lose everything because you lose your God but I do not.

If God exists but is as vindictive as you seem to be implying, I lose nothing (as I want no part of such a God) and you lose nothing as you'll get your reward in Heaven.

If God exists and is as good and just and loving as you believe, I gain a great deal as I get an afterlife I am not expecting, and you lose nothing.

By this reasoning, the only one who can possibly lose is the believer...