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Old 8th April 2001, 10:04
kazanova3 kazanova3 is offline
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MR CAPLE

DEAR CAPLE WHAT PROOFS THAT U HAVE till u that this universe not created? by GOD.

-U SEE THAT FROM adrop of spurm humanity created ? who arrange this sperum ?

- why we are men and women who arrange this?

- did u chose ur self to be a man or women ? who controlling this?


- why the sun raise from the east not from the west?


- who arrange the day and night ?

- who is controlling the death?? some people stay for 100 yrs and others less than that?how it can be arranged ?

- why women different on thier creation from men?? who arrange this ... suddenlly?? without reason??u think..

- the sea and land who put it on this form..


- the air around us who profide it..for us..?

THE WHOLE BODY OF OUR SELFS AND THE SOUL INSIDE IT WHO ARRANGE IT?

- IF U THINK THAT U WAS NOT CREATED SO U MUST NOT BE EXIST..

? IF this universe just happened as u said what power let it happened?
- what about the eyes we have who put it for us on this shape?? tunge ,mouth,hands,legs the whole body??

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dear caple think about it ,


dear caple don't imagine the ability of OUR CREATOR GOD AS THE ABILITY OF HUMAN?? OUR GOD ability is beound our imagination..


pls. think about it more and u can email me on kezzanova33@yahoo.com

best regards and have a nice time??kaz
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Old 8th April 2001, 10:34
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MR CAPLE PLS.READ THIS




WHAT IS LIFE ? Man's existence in this world and the creation of this entire universe are not mere accidents or products of a fortuitous nature. This universe, every single atom of it, manifests and leads us to the realization of a Loving, Merciful and All-Powerful Creator. Without a Creator, nothing can exist. Every single soul knows that he is existing and that his existence is dependent upon a Creator he knows for sure that he cannot create him self. Therefore it is his duty to know his Master, the Creator.

MANKIND: Man is a unique creature. God established man to govern over all other creatures in this world. He is endowed with the faculty of REASON which sets him apart from all other animals. Together with this faculty to discriminate and discern, man is given the freedom (free-will) to choose for himself a way of life worthy of his position or to fall lower than the lowest of all animals or creations. Man is born pure and sinless and is given the choice to do righteous deeds or indulge in sins.

DIVINE GUIDANCE: The Creator, out of His abundant Love and Mercy for mankind has not left us in darkness to discover the right path by trial and error alone. Coupled with our intellectual capability to reason, our Creator bestowed upon us DIVINE GUIDANCE that outlines the Criterion for TRUTH, knowledge, as well as the reality of our existence in this world and the Hereafter.

REVELATIONS: From the beginning of mankind, our Creator sent prophets to convey His REVELATION and to invite human beings to the path of true PEACE and OBEDIENCE to the ONE TRUE GOD. This is ISLAM. This message is conveyed towards successive generations of man through the different prophets, all inviting mankind to the same path. However all the earlier messages or revelations from God were distorted by people of later generations.

As a result, pure Revelation from our Creator was adulterated and polluted with myths, superstitions, idol worship and irrational philosophical ideologies. The religion of God in a sense was lost in a plethora of religions. Human history is a testament of man's drift between light and darkness, but God out of His Abundant Love for mankind has not forsaken us.

FINAL REVELATIONS: When mankind was in the depths of the Dark Ages, our Creator sent His final Messenger, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) to redeem humanity with the final revelation which represents the ultimate and permanent source of guidance for the whole world.

CRITERIA FOR TRUTH: The following criteria can best serve as a gauge to find out the authenticity of the last revelation (the Qur’an) as words of God:

1. Rational Teachings: Since our Creator bestowed reason and intellect upon us, it is our duty to use it to distinguish the TRUTH from falsehood. True, undistorted revelation from God must be rational and can be reasoned out by all unbiased minds.

2. Perfection: Since our Creator is all perfect, His revelation must be perfect and accurate, free from mistakes, omissions, interpolations and multiplicity of versions. It should be free from contradictions in its narration.

3. No Myths or Superstitions: True revelation is free from myths or superstitions that degrade the dignity of our Creator or man himself.

4. Scientific: Since our Creator is the Creator of all knowledge, true revelation is scientific and can withstand the challenge of science at all times.

5. Factual Prophecy: Our Creator is the Knower of the past, present and future. Thus His prophecies in His revelation will be fulfilled as prophesied.

6. Inimitable By Man: True revelation is infallible and cannot be imitated by man. God's true revelation is a Living miracle, an open book challenging all mankind to see and prove for themselves its authenticity or veracity.



http://www.it-is-truth.org

it may help u thanks.. kaz
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Old 8th April 2001, 12:48
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Re: MR CAPLE PLS.READ THIS

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WHAT IS LIFE ? Man's existence in this world and the creation of this entire universe are not mere accidents or products of a fortuitous nature. This universe, every single atom of it, manifests and leads us to the realization of a Loving, Merciful and All-Powerful Creator. Without a Creator, nothing can exist. Every single soul knows that he is existing and that his existence is dependent upon a Creator he knows for sure that he cannot create him self. Therefore it is his duty to know his Master, the Creator.
If, as you contend, "Without a Creator, nothing can exist", how do you account for the existence of Allah? Who or what created your creator?
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MANKIND: Man is a unique creature. God established man to govern over all other creatures in this world. He is endowed with the faculty of REASON which sets him apart from all other animals. Together with this faculty to discriminate and discern, man is given the freedom (free-will) to choose for himself a way of life worthy of his position or to fall lower than the lowest of all animals or creations. Man is born pure and sinless and is given the choice to do righteous deeds or indulge in sins.
My beliefs are the result of reason and I hold them by my free will.
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DIVINE GUIDANCE: The Creator, out of His abundant Love and Mercy for mankind has not left us in darkness to discover the right path by trial and error alone. Coupled with our intellectual capability to reason, our Creator bestowed upon us DIVINE GUIDANCE that outlines the Criterion for TRUTH, knowledge, as well as the reality of our existence in this world and the Hereafter.
Where is the evidence of this guidance? How do you know it is divine?
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REVELATIONS: From the beginning of mankind, our Creator sent prophets to convey His REVELATION and to invite human beings to the path of true PEACE and OBEDIENCE to the ONE TRUE GOD. This is ISLAM. This message is conveyed towards successive generations of man through the different prophets, all inviting mankind to the same path. However all the earlier messages or revelations from God were distorted by people of later generations.
How do you reconcile prophesy with free will. If something is pre-ordained by Allah, where does free will enter into it? (I'll snip a bit here for the sake of brevity)
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CRITERIA FOR TRUTH: The following criteria can best serve as a gauge to find out the authenticity of the last revelation (the Qur’an) as words of God:
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1. Rational Teachings: Since our Creator bestowed reason and intellect upon us, it is our duty to use it to distinguish the TRUTH from falsehood. True, undistorted revelation from God must be rational and can be reasoned out by all unbiased minds.
That's good, as my beliefs are the result of pure reason. I thought them out for myself and was not stuffed full of anybody else's "reason". Therefore my beliefs are true.
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2. Perfection: Since our Creator is all perfect, His revelation must be perfect and accurate, free from mistakes, omissions, interpolations and multiplicity of versions. It should be free from contradictions in its narration.
There is only one complete version of my beliefs, so they pass this test too.
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3. No Myths or Superstitions: True revelation is free from myths or superstitions that degrade the dignity of our Creator or man himself.
Ditto. No superstitions or myths (e.g. creation) in my beliefs.
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4. Scientific: Since our Creator is the Creator of all knowledge, true revelation is scientific and can withstand the challenge of science at all times.
The scientific community accepts evolution as fact which can be scientifically verified. You rejected it in one of your earlier posts. Where is the science in your belief?
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5. Factual Prophecy: Our Creator is the Knower of the past, present and future. Thus His prophecies in His revelation will be fulfilled as prophesied.
How can this be proven. If a prophesy hasn't come to pass you can simply say it hasn't happened yet but it will eventually. Again, how do you reconcile prophecy with free will?
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6. Inimitable By Man: True revelation is infallible and cannot be imitated by man. God's true revelation is a Living miracle, an open book challenging all mankind to see and prove for themselves its authenticity or veracity.



http://www.it-is-truth.org

it may help u thanks.. kaz
Actually kaz, I didn't think I needed help, but thanks anyway. Now how about using your free will and reason to think for yourself? What I see here is a large tract from someone else's writing, I do not see anything of you in this. It's no good claiming to be a reasoning being if all you are going to do is quote someone else verbatim whenever you are asked a question. Reason, man! Use the brain in your head and think for yourself. Order your own thoughts and share them with us. If all you can do is parrot someone else's thoughts, you hardly qualify as a rational being exhibiting free will.

Give me your own answers to the questions I have posed and I'll continue to debate with you. Copy and paste a bunch of someone else's nonsense and our little game ends here. I look forward to hearing from you.
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