ORIGINAL SIN !!!!CAN ANY ONE ANSWER ME

[kazanova3]

Original Sin

I am sure you must have heard it said that we were born in sin—and perhaps you even believe that. But let's think about that for a moment. Would the Just God blame you for a sin you never committed? Would He hold you responsible for what someone else did? Definitely not! God's book teaches that you are responsible for only your own actions. You cannot sin until you do something wrong. And you certainly could not have done wrong before you were even born.

Yet we often meet people who say that we are somehow born in sin. Could that possibly be true? They say that the first human being, Adam, sinned, and through him sin entered the world; and now sin corrupts everything, including every newborn baby. Can you follow that logic? Can you believe that human beings are condemned before they do anything? Which judge would condemn people for crimes they never committed? A just judge cannot do that except by mistake. But what about God? Would He make such a mistake? We cannot imagine such false ideas about God. He is Just. He holds you responsible for what you do, and He does not blame you I am sure you must have heard it said that we were born in sin—and perhaps you even believe that.

But let's think about that for a moment. Would the Just God blame you for a sin you never committed? Would He hold you responsible for what someone else did? Definitely not! God's book teaches that you are responsible for only your own actions. You cannot sin until you do something wrong. And you certainly could not have done wrong before you were even born.

Yet we often meet people who say that we are somehow born in sin. Could that possibly be true? They say that the first human being, Adam, sinned, and through him sin entered the world; and now sin corrupts everything, including every newborn baby. Can you follow that logic? Can you believe that human beings are condemned before they do anything? Which judge would condemn people for crimes they never committed? A just judge cannot do that except by mistake. But what about God? Would He make such a mistake? We cannot imagine such false ideas about God. He is Just. He holds you responsible for what you do, and He does not blame you for what the first human being did.

But even after you do wrong, God is always willing to forgive. He is full of loving kindness, and He loves to forgive. He is willing to forgive anyone who turns to Him and seeks forgiveness. This means that if you did something wrong you can still turn back to God and He will forgive you, if you sincerely decide to give up that sin. Isn't this refreshing to know? Isn't it wonderful to know that even if we lived a whole life of sin but we decide now to change our lives and obey God He would forgive us this minute? And that's just between us and God. We don't need any confession box, and we don't need anyone to suffer for our sins. Can we resist the loving kindness that God is offering us?

God wants us to know about His love. He wants us to know that He is Just. He wants us to know the truth about Him so that when we turn to Him we know to Whom we are turning. But there is so much misinformation about God. Where can we get correct information about Him? In His book! That's so obvious, isn't it? God told us about Himself in His book. We owe it to ourselves to see what God has to say about Himself. Shouldn't you be reading God's book? Here's God's message to you in His book:

The Qur'an is God's final book which He revealed for the guidance of all humankind.

O mankind! Now has a proof from your Lord come unto you, and We have sent down unto you a clear light; as for those who believe in Allah and hold fast unto Him, them will He cause to enter into His mercy and grace, and will guide them unto Him by a straight road. (Qur'an 4:174-5)

The Qur'an is God's final book which He revealed for the guidance of all humankind.






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best regards kazs. i posted this at another sites but no one answered me???

[TheMinister]

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Kazanova3 pasted this same question to which I briefly, but decisively countered with the wisdom of Scripture, and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Kastanova3 is not really looking to engage in the the complexities of the doctrine of original sin, he is merely trying to sow seeds of uncertainty in those who's spiritual roots may not be too theologically deep. The doctrine of original sin is true and evident. For more information on this doctrine, visit:


http://www.equip.org

http://www.ligonier.org

http://www.oneplace.org

[mackiernan]

I personally don't trust anyone or anything that can condemn an innocent child for something that it did not do. Your god is not just- and quite honestly, I find it ridiculous that a religion that is just barely 2000 years old, the youngest religion known to man, can be so hypocritical in its theology.

Luckily, I can leave this thread. I just wanted to put my two cents in because I am sick of all these "do-right or god will punish you" hypocrites.

Have fun discussing your theologies. After all, they are nothing more than stories created to brainwash anyone gullible enough to listen.

[Danny]

Is that what you call "decisively countering"? To say that something is not logical does not prove it, rather the reverse.

[naebo_s]

Og sin.....a concept from avery troubled man known as Augustine. Original Sin results in one man being held responsible for the act of another. There is no way round this fact. God can only hold a man responsible for action he himself performs.

But looking at the situation alittle closer there are problems with this. God created man. There for God put man in a world where he can be caught in a situation where there is not right action available. A man may have to lie cheat steal kill etc......we think we can find a situation where any of these might be tha morally correct action. However the action would be condemned by GOD as sin (according to scripture)

If God (being omnipotent) puts man into a world knowing he is going to sin and then condemn man for it...He is ultimatly responsible. If (in the Christian context) he them send his son (of the trinity) then he himself suffers. All God becomes a sado masochistic power freak.

I am not an atheist by the way. I just don't like theology that is based on tradition that cannot be questioned.

[TheMinister]

Wrong on several fronts, naebo. 1. Original sin DOES NOT blame one man for the actions of another! 2. You failed to site even one alleged crime of necessity that you coined a, "morally correct action", that God would condemn as sinful, according to scripture. . . what scripture would that be naebo? You seem to be suggesting that God should have used His omnipotence to imprison Adam's will. How do you harmonize a free will, but no chance to use freedom freely, even if it means choosing something other than good? If He did this your complaint list would make your current list look microscopic. Mankind is so implaccable- no matter what move God made, mankind would judge God with sharp, irreverant, unjustified criticism to their ownshame. Very presumptive approach. Meanwhile, where is Katzanova in all this? He asked,"can we talk?" Where is he? He has no answers, only long teadious pastes!

One thing I am thouroughly frustrated with is when people come onto the boards with a view of what they "think" scripture says about something, and then they attack their erroneous understanding believing that they actually undone a church-honored doctrine. I study the scriptures daily and attend seminary, and I tell you that your understanding of the God of the bible is a mere private interpretation. Please come with more theological accuracy the next time you ridicule with so much certainty, otherwise, try asking questions and posing possibilites, the landing is softer when the truth takes you down to reality. If you would like a sound biblical understanding of the doctrine so butchered and mangled on this thread, perhaps we can begin again from a more level-headed starting point, one that start with biblical truth, not presumptive attacks against a very misunderstood Savior.

[mackiernan]

Guess what everyone!?!?!? All of us are wrong! Apparently, the minister receives edicts straight from "god" himself. That is why he can be so blatantly obtuse about all of the posts and can tell people with authority that they are wrong. Well, since you have his ear, why don't you ask him why, if he is so omnipotent, he allows the world to continue in the vein it has. Or perhaps the meaning of life? Stories in books are left for interpretation, giving rise to the old saying "to each his own". Perhaps you should remember that.

Thanks for the revelation!