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Old 4th March 2017, 15:07
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Ministers of Righteousness

God has kept the fingerprints of the guilt-worthy off the righteousness he designed for the guilt-worthy. The guilt-worthy have kept sin on the table of Godís justice their entire lifetimes and sat under ministers of righteousness who have led the way. Satanís ministers of righteousness use the word reform, but reformation would be a work of the believer for God. They would appeal to people to reform, yet some people think itís their responsibility to remove their sins. These people commit, they recommit, they recommit their re-commitment. Judgment based on a righteousness a person can produce for themselves can only lead to one verdict-GUILTY! God is going so see them as having no need of the saving work of his son. When we put our human hearts under the microscope of Godís truthful judgment, we are going to find out that we need much more than human righteousness to have a perfectly just standing before God. Put another way, do people think for one moment that God is going to give them a non-wrath-worthy pass; that Jesus need not have died for their sins; that their sins are of such a non-serous nature that they have no need of a Savior in the first place? 


Paul wants us to know at one point in time something was true, but now something else is true. They will continually want us to do this and stop doing that in order to keep God happy with us, when the reality is: God couldnít be any happier with us than he is; Jesus having taken our sin debt upon himself and we having trusted what happened where our sins are concerned. Righteousness cannot be found in the individual through performance and righteousness cannot be found in the law and Paul proved that righteousness cannot found in religion. Grace on the other hand, bestows freely that which we could never earn and could never deserve. Therefore the assumption is, God is not reconciled when people sin. In their mind they are separating themselves from God by their sin and Paul is saying, God has already reconciled the human race where their sins are concerned. The vast majority of the people of this earth donít understand what reconciliation is all about, they think that new sin needs a new measure of reconciliation. Is that not the golden thread woven through every denomination out there, itís called religion. The truth is the human race couldnít obtain an ounce of forgiveness if they tried, because God has already forgiven all the human race.
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...God couldnít be any happier with us than he is...
Jolly good! I'm delighted to hear it. Well, that's a load off my mind. It has been bothering me all morning.

Now, this God friend of yours - are you quite sure that this particular god exists? And are you quite certain that "god" is "he", rather than "she"?
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when jesus took out sin debt was that just normal debt of was it like one of these pay day loans with 1000% interest?
and did he have to have guarantor for this unsecured loan?

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when jesus took out sin debt was that just normal debt of was it like one of these pay day loans with 1000% interest?
and did he have to have guarantor for this unsecured loan?

just wondering likes
What did Paul mean in Romans 7:4? By whose body did you become dead to the law according to Paul? The body of Jesus! Was it your body or was it Jesusí body that freed human race from the lawís jurisdiction? It was Jesusí body!It wasnít through the performance of your body that you became dead to the lawís jurisdiction. It was through the performance of Jesusí body that you have been removed from that jurisdiction forevermore as Jesus came to fulfill the law and to become sin on the human raceís behalf that those who would believe might have his righteousness freely attributed to their account being married to Jesus. So, not only did the law die to us from a dispensational standpoint, we also died to the law by Jesus satisfying the lawís demands becoming sin for the human race, satisfying the lawís justice for that sin as he became a ransom for all to be testified in due time where Paul became that due time testifier. The law will never work to accomplish our sanctification. Thatís the thrust of this entire seventh chapter of Romans. The human race is dead to law-keeping for righteousness. Theyíre dead to a law-keeping for righteousness relationship and that relationship is gone forever. Jesus took it out of the way. Godís blessing and Godís favor are there for in no way based upon how well any person conforms to a standard today; thatís being married to two partners. A personís righteousness today comes not by way of performance but by way of our identity. And, by way of our identity is how we get our blessings.
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Jolly good! I'm delighted to hear it. Well, that's a load off my mind. It has been bothering me all morning.

Now, this God friend of yours - are you quite sure that this particular god exists? And are you quite certain that "god" is "he", rather than "she"?
The Bible is really the story of two men and the people who are related to these two men. The issue for life everlasting is not what church you attend or to which denomination you belong or how religious you are or even whether or not you are a good person in the worldly sense of the word good. The issue in eternity will not be how many sins youíve committed or how many sins you have promised God you will abstain from committing. It will not be whether youíve walked an aisle, recited a particular prayer, or asked Jesus into your heart. The issue in eternity will be to which man are you related? Do you have your identity in the first Adam, or do you have your identity in the second Adam, Jesus our Savior. You have to believe that the second Adam died, and not just died for your sins, but what was accomplished when he died for your sins; what was accomplished where those sins were concerned. You cannot be related or identified in both.
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What did Paul mean in Romans 7:4? By whose body did you become dead to the law according to Paul? The body of Jesus! Was it your body or was it Jesusí body that freed human race from the lawís jurisdiction? It was Jesusí body!It wasnít through the performance of your body that you became dead to the lawís jurisdiction. It was through the performance of Jesusí body that you have been removed from that jurisdiction forevermore as Jesus came to fulfill the law and to become sin on the human raceís behalf that those who would believe might have his righteousness freely attributed to their account being married to Jesus. So, not only did the law die to us from a dispensational standpoint, we also died to the law by Jesus satisfying the lawís demands becoming sin for the human race, satisfying the lawís justice for that sin as he became a ransom for all to be testified in due time where Paul became that due time testifier. The law will never work to accomplish our sanctification. Thatís the thrust of this entire seventh chapter of Romans. The human race is dead to law-keeping for righteousness. Theyíre dead to a law-keeping for righteousness relationship and that relationship is gone forever. Jesus took it out of the way. Godís blessing and Godís favor are there for in no way based upon how well any person conforms to a standard today; thatís being married to two partners. A personís righteousness today comes not by way of performance but by way of our identity. And, by way of our identity is how we get our blessings.
so ........... didnt really answer my question there
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The Bible is really the story of two men and the people who are related to these two men. The issue for life everlasting is not what church you attend or to which denomination you belong or how religious you are or even whether or not you are a good person in the worldly sense of the word good. The issue in eternity will not be how many sins youíve committed or how many sins you have promised God you will abstain from committing. It will not be whether youíve walked an aisle, recited a particular prayer, or asked Jesus into your heart. The issue in eternity will be to which man are you related? Do you have your identity in the first Adam, or do you have your identity in the second Adam, Jesus our Savior. You have to believe that the second Adam died, and not just died for your sins, but what was accomplished when he died for your sins; what was accomplished where those sins were concerned. You cannot be related or identified in both.
right so its not about how religious you are as long as you promise god you wont sin.
and its not about how good youve been just as long as youve not been bad.

maybe this phantom other adam could explain
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