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Old 11th December 2013, 16:57
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I know I said I wouldn't contribute to this thread but I just thought I would inject a bit of common sense into the discussion in case anybody was actually taking fluxed and his dogmatic assertions seriously.

Originally posted by Fluxed "All of the Queens forefathers were pagan - fact."

Here is a list of the Queens forefathers going back to the Norman conquest.

William I of England: 22nd Great-Grandfather
William II of England: 21st Great-Granduncle
Henry I of England: 21st Great-Grandfather
Stephen of England: 20th Great-Grandfather
Empress Matilda: 20th Great-Grandmother
Henry II of England: 19th Great-Grandfather
Richard I of England: 18th Great-Granduncle
John of England: 18th Great-Grandfather
Henry III of England: 19th Great-Grandfather
Edward I of England: 18th Great-Grandfather
Edward II of England:18th Great-Grandfather
Edward III of England: 17th Great-Grandfather
Richard II of England: 16th Great-Granduncle
Henry IV of England: 17th Great-Grandfather
Henry V of England: 16th Great-Granduncle
Henry VI of England: -14th Great-Granduncle
Edward IV of England: 14th Great-Grandfather
Edward V of England: 13th Great-Granduncle
Richard III of England: 14th Great-Granduncle
Henry VII of England: 13th Great-Grandfather
Henry VIII of England: 12th Great-Granduncle
Edward VI of England: 1st Cousin, 12 times Removed
Jane of England: 10th Great-Grandaunt
Mary I of England: 1st Cousin 13 times Removed
Elizabeth I of England: 1st Cousin 13 times Removed
James I of England: 9th Great-Grandfather
Charles I of England: 8th Great-Granduncle
Charles II of England: 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
James II of England: 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
William III of England: 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
Mary II of England: 2nd Cousin 8 times Removed
Anne, Queen of Great Britain: 2nd Cousin 8 times Removed
George I of Great Britain: 6th Great-Grandfather
George II of Great Britain: 5th Great-Grandfather
George III of the United Kingdom: 3rd Great-Grandfather
George IV of the United Kingdom: 2nd Great-Granduncle
William IV of the United Kingdom: 2nd Great-Granduncle
Victoria of the United Kingdom: 2nd Great-Grandmother
Edward VII of the United Kingdom: Great-Grandfather
George V of the United Kingdom: Grandfather
Edward VIII of the United Kingdom: Uncle
George VI of the United Kingdom: Father
Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.


Can anybody find a single pagan amongst them? No neither could I. None of the Queen's forefathers have been pagan for over a millennia so just what is fluxed talking about? Does he perhaps just have a very bad case of verbal incontinence?
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Old 12th December 2013, 13:49
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Andy, why did you forget to add the forefathers?

Kings of Wessex
Cerdic (519-534)
Cynric (534-560)
Ceawlin (560-591)
Ceol (591-597)
Ceolwulf (597-611)
Cynegils (611-643)

Kings of Northumbria
Ethelfrith (Aethelfrith) (ca. 592-616)
Edwin (616-633)
Eanfrith (633-634)
(St) Oswald I (634-641)
Oswy (Oswin ) (641-670)
Egfrith (670-685)
Aldfrith (Alfrid) (685-704)
Osred (704-716)
Coenred (716-718)
Osric (718-729)
Ceolwulf (729-737)

Kings of Sussex
Ethelwalh (reigned before 685)
Berhtum (685-686)
Cadwalla (Caedwalla) of Wessex (ca. 686-688)
Nothelm (692)
Nunna (ca. 710-725)
Aldwuf (ca. 765)
Osmund (ca. 765-770)

Kings of Essex
Aesewine (ca. 527-587)
Sledda (ca. 587-604)
Saebert (ca. 604-616)
Sigeberht I the Little (ca. 617-653)
Sigeberht II the Good (ca. 653-660)
Swithhelm (ca. 660-665)
Sighere (Sigheard) (ca. 665-683)


Are you saying andy, these were not the forefathers of the queen?



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I know I said I wouldn't contribute to this thread but I just thought I would inject a bit of common sense into the discussion in case anybody was actually taking fluxed and his dogmatic assertions seriously.

Originally posted by Fluxed "All of the Queens forefathers were pagan - fact."

Here is a list of the Queens forefathers going back to the Norman conquest.

William I of England: 22nd Great-Grandfather
William II of England: 21st Great-Granduncle
Henry I of England: 21st Great-Grandfather
Stephen of England: 20th Great-Grandfather
Empress Matilda: 20th Great-Grandmother
Henry II of England: 19th Great-Grandfather
Richard I of England: 18th Great-Granduncle
John of England: 18th Great-Grandfather
Henry III of England: 19th Great-Grandfather
Edward I of England: 18th Great-Grandfather
Edward II of England:18th Great-Grandfather
Edward III of England: 17th Great-Grandfather
Richard II of England: 16th Great-Granduncle
Henry IV of England: 17th Great-Grandfather
Henry V of England: 16th Great-Granduncle
Henry VI of England: -14th Great-Granduncle
Edward IV of England: 14th Great-Grandfather
Edward V of England: 13th Great-Granduncle
Richard III of England: 14th Great-Granduncle
Henry VII of England: 13th Great-Grandfather
Henry VIII of England: 12th Great-Granduncle
Edward VI of England: 1st Cousin, 12 times Removed
Jane of England: 10th Great-Grandaunt
Mary I of England: 1st Cousin 13 times Removed
Elizabeth I of England: 1st Cousin 13 times Removed
James I of England: 9th Great-Grandfather
Charles I of England: 8th Great-Granduncle
Charles II of England: 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
James II of England: 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
William III of England: 1st Cousin 9 times Removed
Mary II of England: 2nd Cousin 8 times Removed
Anne, Queen of Great Britain: 2nd Cousin 8 times Removed
George I of Great Britain: 6th Great-Grandfather
George II of Great Britain: 5th Great-Grandfather
George III of the United Kingdom: 3rd Great-Grandfather
George IV of the United Kingdom: 2nd Great-Granduncle
William IV of the United Kingdom: 2nd Great-Granduncle
Victoria of the United Kingdom: 2nd Great-Grandmother
Edward VII of the United Kingdom: Great-Grandfather
George V of the United Kingdom: Grandfather
Edward VIII of the United Kingdom: Uncle
George VI of the United Kingdom: Father
Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.
It should be clear to onlookers, this person also is acting
with calumny and has been exposed as a misinformer.
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Old 12th December 2013, 14:36
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Of course it should be pointed out that if you go back over a millennia everybody's ancestors were pagan which tends to render your statements null and void. If everybody's ancestors were pagan why should we attach any particular significance to the lineage of our monarchs? I think it's safe to say that in spite of your accusations of calumny and misinformation your "assertions" (because you couldn't really call them arguments) haven't convinced anyone.
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Why are you misinforming people?

Do you deny King Penda was a pagan monarch?


Name: King Athelstan
Born: c.895
Parents: Edward the Elder and Ecgywn
Relation to Elizabeth II: 30th great-granduncle
House of: We....bla bla bla
you seem to be unable to read properly mate.

given that the current royal family are of German descent how can you claim the queens forefathers where uk anything?
and given the uk was only formed in 1707 and the crowns union in 1603 then there where NO uk royalty before that.

and even if she was, as andy says, why does it matter to anyone?

so there obelisks all over the world...who cares?

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Old 13th December 2013, 13:28
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I said the queens forefathers were pagan kings.

Andy said this....

'I just thought I would inject a bit of common sense into the discussion in case anybody was actually taking fluxed and his dogmatic assertions seriously.'

Then , i posted the evidence - did i get an appology?

No, just this...


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Of course it should be pointed out that if you go back over a millennia everybody's ancestors were pagan which tends to render your statements null and void. If everybody's ancestors were pagan why should we attach any particular significance to the lineage of our monarchs? I think it's safe to say that in spite of your accusations of calumny and misinformation your "assertions" (because you couldn't really call them arguments) haven't convinced anyone.
This should outline the character of these people, who Butt in
to either knowingly misinform others, or don't have sufficient background
knowledge.
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Old 13th December 2013, 13:47
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Of course it should be pointed out that if you go back over a millennia everybody's ancestors were pagan which tends to render your statements null and void.
How can you talk about null and void, when you have already rendered
youself, a misinformer ?

First you said i was wrong, about the queen having pagan forefathers.

Then, all our forefathers were pagans?

This is strange behaviour and slightly masonic, if you ask me.

Remember Andy, should you try to steer this coversation again,
with disinformation, then i will again expose your position.


The pagan forefathers of the queen, invaded this land,
as Normans and Romans.

They established themselves here and interbred to give
us our monarchy today.

Then they declared that their pagan conduct and history
was criminal; so why were they not held to account?


The pagan kings took this land, not christian kings.
They had been here for centuries, before converting to
christianity.

So the invasions, land, wealth, punishments and pagan laws,
were all rendered criminal, yet they got away with it,
and made a bunch of new laws.

These royals, converted to christianity after centuries
of murder , inspired by pagan gods, then put in place
new christian laws which would make paganism a crime.

So the day after this scum king was a pagan murderer,
he is now punishing common people, for being pagans
which the royal family caused in the first place.

It was royalty which introduced paganism in the first place.

It was royalty which programmed people, into this early
religion of demons.

Then they changed their insane royal minds and punished
us, for the royal mistakes and evils.

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Old 13th December 2013, 14:21
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you seem to be unable to read properly mate.

given that the current royal family are of German descent how can you claim the queens forefathers where uk anything?
and given the uk was only formed in 1707 and the crowns union in 1603 then there where NO uk royalty before that.

and even if she was, as andy says, why does it matter to anyone?
You should educate yourself first, before butting in.

British royalty is made up of Danish, German and French royal genes.


Did you not know about the Germanic gods such as Odin?

This was a pagan royal god - the one the British kings claimed descent
from.

How did a royal family which introduced paganism, ALL convert to
christianity? Every member, or just the king???

They were founded by pagan ancestors remember?

A christian king claiming divine authority from christ, cannot have
pagan ancestors now, can he?

A christian king must have christian forefathers only, right back
to where jesus enters the family tree.



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so there obelisks all over the world...who cares?
Speak for yourself.

I know the queen heads the church of England, yet has an
Egyptian obelisk( which is an idol) on the banks of the Thames.
and two large sphinxes to boot.

This obelisk was erected by pharaoh Thutmose III,
who declated Amen, as god of the world.

I know Amen is a vaild translation. Hence the naming of pharaohs
such as Amenhotep.

I know a festival of Ra, was once a month in ancient Egypt - there
was one sun day per month.

This was changed to sun day, once a week when millions of people
speak the name of the Egyptian god 'Amen', on Ra day.

So Amen-Ra are together to this day, just as they were in ancient times.
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