Evolution

[sleepywalker]

In reply to your original question. I believe in creation. One of the reasons is that I do take the Bible literally unless it tells me otherwise in the text, like "Jesus told a parable" or something like that. For me, it just seems that there is more evidence that God created the world than that it just came into being on its own and humans did too. Everything in the natural world, including us, has such a complex design that I am convicted that Someone created us and everything else. It seems to me to much of a chance that things just evolved into the way they are now.

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[SandyO]

A convention of the world's top scientists was held about 2 years ago, Steve Hawkins (the man who created Quantum Physics) said from his wheelchair in a warbled voice, "The Universe was created from nothing."

What say you to that?

[sleepywalker]

Nonson, I use the Holy Bible.

[Goose]

Nonson,

Perhaps its because no matter what she answers your going to play the devil's advocate.

Instead of picking everyone else's beliefs would it not be a better approach to guide and educate us with your wisdom and knowledge.

You seem to be fast on the gun to slam but provide little in the way of leadership for anyone to follow. Its funny whenever anyone on this board gives you a chance to do so you turn around and answer with ignorance and impunity like some God gave you the right.

So tell us who in the WORLD DO YOU BLOODY BELIEVE IN!



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Goose
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"All science has one aim, namely, to find a theory of nature." Ralph Waldo Emerson.

[walmac]

Seems that Neil has it right. Bagpipe Boy
and Willy also make sense. All 3 sound
like they are "Diests" and don't realize it.
The word of God is found in the beauty that
surrounds us - not in a book written so
many years ago by many people and translated
hundreds of times by vested interests, and purported to be the word of God. Things
evolve right before your eyes.

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WalMac

[Dirk_Sommer]

Well...
It really took me some time to read through all this, and I found all the different opinions very interesting.
I believe in god AND evolution; let me just ask a question to all who believe the bible LITERALLY:
God created Adam and Eve, right ?
They had exactly two sons, Kain and Abel...
As we all know, just one of them died of old age... So, if we all are descendents of them, with whom did Kain reproduce ? Even if Adam and Eve had more children, their reproduction is just impossible without sinning.
And if you cross any creature with its siblings, it won´t take long for them to die all.
It is just impossible.

Someone asked why god chose to create us at exactly this petty planet... God just loves to create, and if he had chosen another planet, we´d perhaps have 4 arms, but still discuss the same thing...
We´d just not know.
I believe in evolution, because:
Look at the embryos of a lizard, a bird and a human... for a long time they seem so much alike that you can´t tell them apart without some training.
Sometimes a baby is born with fur, sometimes with a tail, sometimes even with those swimming-skins; all facts that seem only possible if humans (or their predessessors) had a use for those...
In every living cell and every cell that ever existed, all amino-acids are left-turning (sorry, I don´t know the exact translation here...) But when one manufactures them, you get 50% left and 50% right turning ones. EVERY time ! How likely is it that every species has just the one kind ?
In every cell of higher organisms there are mitochondriae, little structures that provide the cell with energy... but they have their own genetical information. They are enclosed in a doubled membrane, securing them from the innards of the rest of the cell. In every organism, the genetical information is the same, no matter how much the information in the "big" cells differ. The theory is, that some time in the past, one cell ate up another and now we have little symbionts in every single cell of everything. That, too is hinting for evolution.

But now for those who believe in evolution but not in god:
First thing: Just look around you... from our macrocosmos to the microcosmos... there are little organisms who produce small shells around them; not one alike to another. And these shells are extremely pretty, even though you can only look at them with an electron-microscope... Why ?
Second thing: Scientists have tried to recreate life. They put water, filled with the molecules that life needs into a ... well... bucket. Then they created the best circumstances and tried to create only one amino-acid. They failed poorly. They had concentrated the neccessary elements in the water thousands of times higher than they were really. Not ONE amino-acid, not even thinking about an organism with diploid chromosomes and a double-layer membrane with highly specialized surfaces... Please try to explain ?

Okay, I think I have to say sorry here...
I wrote too much and I´m pretty sure I used many words that do not exist...
I hope you can still understand my points and are not as scared about reading dull, long postings as am I, otherwise I don´t think I will get any feedback on this...
So: Sorry, but this is a topic I have thought about many a time and I wanted to contribute... please ! Forgive me !?!
Ciao,
Dirk

[sleepywalker]

Nonson, sorry. I misunderstood your question. I use the Protestant Bible, New King James
Version. Why?