God's in you, not in heaven.

[Liv]

Hi.
I have often thord of the meaning of god, and religion. and i think the bible is overinterpreted, God and satan is really a basic struglle IN man, not outside Man, but it is easier to understand if it's made objective. We all have an inner god, an defenetly an inner satan, it's like the little devil and the little angel we see in so many cartoons, resembling your conscience and your lust.
I do not believe in god, even though it would be "safer" to believe in something that tells you what to say, feel and think, you have all the answers to the universe, and the key to yourself. But really , i enjoy puzzling my mind with questions like why?and, how?. But who is to say if i'm right.
In my opinion every man has his own reality, we can look at the same things, but see them differently, we can talk about the same things, and think we understand, but really , we just might not.
everyone has a " circle" around them, their own reality circle, and it is not impossible to penetrate these circles and make them a part of your own, but unfortunatly i haven't meat a lot of people who is willing to evolve beyond their own circle. Do you understand, i can be quite foggy at times.!!!

mARIA

[Walker43]

Liv,

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. God is real, and so is satan. When we become Christians, the Holy Spirit does come to live inside us. But there is this wonderful thing called the omnipresence of God. He is so amazing and powerful that He can actually be everywhere at once. But, if you will read the 6th chapter of Ephesians, you will realize that God, satan, angels, and demons are a very real thing fighting every day of our lives.

Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
Walker

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[Modern_Bard]

Liv,
Wouldn't you consider it arrogant presumption that a human being, who doesn't hold the power of creation or actual destruction, (1st law of thermodynamics) could fathom the nature of the Universe? Human beings certainly did not create the universe and can't in fact create anything. Genesis, or life from lifelessness is reserved for God. Try it. In fact if you break down the word universe you get uni, meaning one, and verse, which is a spoken or written sentence. God said "let there be" and there was. Christianity is not ignorant, albeit many Christians are. Jesus Christ is very real and his works are manifest throughout the universe. The Bible is the word of God, not of man. It is not a guidebook, but the book of life. In love I pray you reconsider.
Praying for those who don't know,
The Modern Bard

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[Liv]

Dear you who wrote me back!
I get a little bewildered and sad when you say you will pray for me, i may seem lost to you but i assure you , i am not.!I believe in the wonders of the mind, and i think your the perfect examle of one. Man made an illusion to pretect ourselves from our own mind, and i don't see there's anything wrong with that , untill belief becomes capitalistic and egocentric.
I respect your belief, i think it is beutyfull to believe in something, but i just can't believe in god, i believe in a lot of other things. I did not say that man created all universe, but man created the word universe, man wrote the bible, what makes you so sure that those people we're trustworthy.?It's an excellent piece of historic script, but as i see it, people , just like the vikings needed an explanation for rain , ligtning, and so on, people always wanted to know everything, and if they can't figure out the universe, the simply create their own answers. The northern mythology died , because it ni longer fitted with knowledge, it became tales, and that is excactly what is happening to christianity today.
But i would like to keep this discution going, i find it very interesting, and this is not my last say in this matter, i may not be able to convince you of my opinion, and that is not my goal, but if i made you think , i'm satisfied, you certainly make me thing.
Greetings MARIA.

[Modern_Bard]

I admire people who look beyond the end of their nose. There are so many people, even those who believe that they are Christians, who don't do that, and live a very dark dismal life. Oh, and before I go on, when I say I pray for you, it doesn't mean I'm am trying to use some special power to pursuade you to see things my way. I don't even see things my way, I see them Christ's way. Prayer is conversation with God. Prayer can be crying out to an Almighty God, or simply putting him in his place. And you have to understand, my mission as a Christian, is to take the place that Christ left open in the world. Jesus said that he was the light of the world. Then near the end of his life he said that when he was gone, we (believers) would be the light of the world. It is our job to shine the light of Christ into the entire world. Do we do this to achieve our own means? NO. At least not the people who are on tract. It boils down to this. Either I am right, and there is a God, who revealed himself to us through the scriptures (II Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is "God-breathed") or there is no God at all. If the latter is true, then we haven't anything to loose by trusting in Christ. But if I am right, then this is life and death and so much more than what we can see around us. And if I really believe that there are two very important eternal choices then I am a coward, and a fiend if I don't get the message out to people. If it's true I want everyone to have it. But Christianity is so much more than Heaven and Hell. Let me know if I am making sense to you. Sometimes my thoughts get ahead of my typing hands. I enjoy discussing my faith with others, and debating, but I want you to know, it is not my want to prove you wrong, but to give the message to everyone I come across, God gave us a free will, He didn't want robots. Everyone must make thier own choice.
Thank you for listening, I hope you write back. I'm not selling anything, someone has already paid for this gift.
The Modern Bard

[Walker43]

Liv-

like our friend the modern bard, i am glad that you do not blindly follow something you have been told for years. and like he said, that is not what God wants. he wants people to choose to love him even after they have asked all the questions about who, why, how, when, and where. he made us with minds, and i am sure he knew we would use them. one thing i would have to disagree with you on is that people are now believe the Bible to be only a story book. i know that there is a great movement starting where i am from and more and more people are accepting the Bible as the true, inerrant, word of God. it may be that people in your area are saying that it is only a story book. are these people mainly roman catholic? because i know that many of them believe that it is just a collection of fables that we can get a moral from. but i assure you of this. every word of the bible is a wonderfully true thing. i too want to say that my expression of prayer for you is just a way to let you know of my love for you, and that i am truely concerned for your search for "the truth" and hope you find just that!

In Christ's firm grip,
Walker

[Liv]

It's ok Modern bard, i think i understand what you mean.:-) yOU all seem as very nice and friendly people, and i thank you for respecting me, and what i believe.
But i mean , you said yourself that your the "placement" for christ, and you carry on the work he started, isn't christ in you then , isn't he a resemblAnce of your thords and your beliefs, your independant thords?
I do believe in christ, not as a saviour, but as an historic figure, who really once wandered the earth, but the things he did is myths, like the islandic saga's.
Maybe god is timeless, but people are not, and they are the one's who preach the words.
When Nietzsche said that God was dead , he reffered to the great change in the way of thinking, i mean, god was never more then we made him, he was a tool, for an excample in the dark middle ages, where people considered God as a threat, who could cause the great plague as a punishment, and payed the church to be sure not to go to Hell.dO YOU understand?, the thords of god , and the interpretation of the bible, has resembled the time and the particular place people we're living, and it is still so today, even though i find it quite amazing that christianity has " survived " for so long.
But how do you know that your religion is the right one, Muhammed allso lived , and actually i believe that ISLAM and christianity are the same, but people made it differ from each other, the way they we're interpreted, because there are a lot of similarities between those religions, Maybe Muhammed was christ or the other way around?
But you must agrre with me on that " skabelsemyten (danish)=the myth of creation?, is not believeble today. That Adam and Eve reproduced as the only people on earth and populated it as we know it today?
And why was Satan in paradise = the snake ?it's very philosofical, but does hardly have anything to do with facts. I mean , it's a bit like yin and yan, the dangerous and rotten in beuty and utter perfection.
If it was the garden of god, why was the snake in it, it must show that god and satan are one. Offcourse this is only my interpretation:-):-)
I enjoy discussing this too, there is nothing more interesting what other people think.:-)
´HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.
Maria