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Old 14th July 2000, 15:08
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Hey Liv-

I'm pressed for time but I did want to write one small thing. Islam and Christianity are a WAY different thing. Islam, they believe Muhammed was the messiah, Christianity believes Jesus Christ was the Messiah. But you know that. The difference in our Faith and other religions is this. In all other world religions you will find that the so called messiah, or leader, is dead. Jesus Christ rose again and is alive today in Heaven sitting at the right hand of the Father. If this were not true, our Faith would be useless as much as faith in Muhammed is useless. I would also like to say something about you "Christ lives in us" comment. When a person gets saved (and that is salvation by grace, through faith, in Christ ALONE) the Holy Spirit, one of the Trinity, comes to dwell in you. However, He is not just a "resemblence" of of our thoughts. He is what controls them. You make Him ruler of your life when you accept Him and you let Him take over wholly. I don't know if I am making my thoughts exactly clear, because I am not near the Wordsmith I would like to be. If you have any quesitons over what I have said, just ask. I am HAPPY to answer anything you might have to ask. Just let me know and I will try to answer to the best of my capability. I hope that you are understanding what I am saying!

Trying to be faithful to God,
Walker
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Old 14th July 2000, 19:14
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Liv,
Is it not logical to assume that there is so much more to the universe than human beings can possibly understand? Doctors cannot even fathom the workings of the brain. A robot, or any man-made device always falls incredibly short when it comes to the originality of the human brain. We have barely explored our own solar system. We know of only nine planets but can't even explore the full surfaces of them. Our solar system is one of billions, there is a huge galaxy out there that we can't even begin to explore, much less the millions of other galaxies. So why should we believe that we can figure out the nature of the universe based on our limited means? Logically, since we did not create the universe, and can't understand it, or even the complete workings of the human body, then we can't understand the nature of existance. That is where God comes in. He created everything, and knows exactly what is going on. The Bible differs drastically from any other book because of it's content. We believe that it is God inspired through the writers. And if you reaad it you will notice that this book, written by hundreds of different people over thousands of years has an amazing flow and uniformity. Do you know the odds that one person would fulfill just a few of the Old Testamint prophesies about the Messiah? It's like 1 in 10 to the 17 power. Jesus fulfilled ALL of the prophesies, and there were several hundred. Our faith is not ignorant, we are not in the dark, but in the light.
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Old 16th July 2000, 18:11
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hiya all, i'm back:-)
i thord of some questions i couls raise to you, and here's one.(i guess we might agree on this one, not the reason why i chose it though)What is your opinion on satanic cults, the satanic bible ( read it a long time ago along with the bible)satanism in general, do you find it in your heart to forgive when the burn down beutyfull church's, spit on your faith ?
I've had , and have some friends who are satanists, some of them are just too much, fanatic as you can call it, and i don't find much joy in their company...what the hell made them so angry???*:-)
but others are quite down to earth , and i enjoy discussing beliefs with them.īBecause , as i see it, you need each other.!!!Satanism is built on their hate to christians and their love to satan, christians build their belief on the "hate", if i may say so, to satan , and their love to god, it's quite fundemental.You both have a "bad guy " and a "good guy", and what would you do without the bad guy.?
Humans as i see it, always need to have a bad guy, if īthere is only a good guy the confilct that is needed is not present,. do you understand.Every religion i know of has to have a bad guy, one you can fight in unity, one you can all relate to, and who is more obvious than satan, or as i see it, the satan IN us.We are discusted by our inner satan, we do not want to feel evil, therefore we blame satan, not outselves, and fight him instead og realixing that he is a part of you , just as much as god is a part of you, and that they exist together, and together the only balance can be found.When you accept Satan, and Accept your inner God, am i way off here...:-)
Therefore i believe that both satanists and christians are fighting something in themselves , something the do not like, but really all they are doing is destroying balance.!!But i must say, still, if i had to chose sides , i would be on your side,i find it discusting to burn churches, it's like burning some piece of history, and why, it's beutyfull buildings??
I hope to get your respond soon.
Love Maria.
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Old 16th July 2000, 22:02
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Christianity is not built on hate. Christianity is love, love for all people, and unfortunately many inside my faith don't understand this. If Satanist burnt down my church, I wouldn't retaliate. Hatred only breeds hatred in an endless loop. If I hate them because they hate me then the circle of hate goes on and on. But if I love them when they hate me as Christ taught, then the circle ends there. How can they fight my love? Some of your theories are actually very close. When we become Christians, by faith, not tradition, works, memorization, or anything else, the Spirit of Christ lives in us. But in the same way we can allow the spirits of evil to dwell inside us as well and control our lives. We make a choice-righteousness or evil. And Satan is not the oppisite of God, he is a created being given great power and free will, but chose to align himselves with the manifestation of all evil. Satanists are mislead, but are no worse sinners than any unsaved person. I would pray that they all find the truth before it's to late. Because as William Shakespeare said, in a play set in your lovely Denmark, "The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape."
With the love of Christ,
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Old 16th July 2000, 22:07
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hey there Liv-

first of all i want to say yes, i can find it in my heart to forgive them. they just do not see what they are doing, and WHO they are fighting for. it is just a lack of knowledge, and one can not hate another for that. second, i want to say this: christians do not need a hate for satan, or a conflict either one. we do hate sin, because the Holy God that created us hates sin, and thus, we hate satan. BUT if satan wasn't around, or satanists, we would do what we are made to do, and that is to praise and worship the wonderful God that spoke our lives into existence. there is no need for hate, conflict, or anger. and that, my dear, is heaven.

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Old 17th July 2000, 00:20
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thnx for the nice reply's.
All this talk og love and hate has made me think.If the christians are so filled with love and answers, how come so many war's are fought in the name of a god, or your God, if you say that you can still believe in the ancient book, the bible, can you the allso justify the actions which ocurred in history?
fore an example during the middle ages, people we're told that god was not forgiving,and that they would most lightly be sent to hell , if they didn't pay the church, up-through history people payed them out of their sin's, these people didn't know anybetter, they we're frightened because they thord the great plague was a punishment from god, do you believe that allso
Would you argue that that was the work of catholics and not christians? what about the many branches og the interpretation of the bible, i mean, some became witness' of jehova, others modern protestants, how do you know for sure that you're right,or does that not matter, if only you believe in christ.?how can you tell.??Do you feel it inside or what?.
And what is your opinion on gay -people, i have some gay friends ,who are interested in the matter.Because it says in the bible that men are not allowed to be intimate, do you agree?i certainly do not, and i would look with brighter eye's and with more of the respect i demand from myself on very believing christians if they would not as much rely on the bible than what THEY feel about god, and what theirown way of believing says.?
hope to get reply's soon.


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Old 17th July 2000, 00:46
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I am not a sold out follower of any denomination of Christianity. And yes the things of history you talked about were the Catholic church. My beliefs are based on the Bible. The New Testament which chronicles Jesus Christ as the focal point of history is where our faith comes from. I do not believe in murdering people in the name of God. Jesus Christ is about life, not death. When he was tortured and mocked he didn't so much as say one word to his tormentors, much less retaliate. Even though he had 72,000 angels at his disposal. Jesus taught never to retaliate or take any action against an evil person. If someone punches you on the right side of your face give him the other side to punch next. And on the matter of gays, yes homosexuality is wrong and even contrary to nature, if you are an atheist. That DOES NOT mean that it is worse than anything else. Lying is also wrong, they are the same under God. God doesn't hate homosexuals and niether do I. They are unsaved people who need the gospel just as much as anyone else. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven. I once again apologize for the idocy of the Christians who persecute homosexuals and rejoice in their death. These "Christians" who do this are on the road to Hell. They are more accountable, because they know the word of God, and misuse it, then someone who doesn't.
Thank you for being such a benign counterpart,
MB
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