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Old 8th May 2000, 17:04
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Anto, welcome to S.com.
What made you believe in God??????? was it because your parents took you to church when you were little and therefore just accepted it without question. Just asking.....Pudding

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Hi,bru same question, although somehow I suspect you gave it more thought, could you please share what made you believe in God??

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Old 8th May 2000, 17:16
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Are you then saying anything that "affects" us is caused by something spiritual?

I know I feel different when I laugh, or cry or see a new baby or if someone gets hurt,I can actually feel the change.
How do you feel when it is spiritual?
What actually made you believe?
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It plays a part in how we live our lives but not the only factor. Other peoples spirits and wants and desires play a major role in shaping our spiritual. Even our physical actions play a big part.

They are all interconnected and make up our personal balance sort of like spokes on a wheel. How true we keep this wheel is how smooth our road or path through life will be.

Most people spend their lifes tuning the emotional and physical spokes rarely paying attention to the spiritual. This causes our wheels to become untrue and the bumps in the road are harder to take.

Oftentimes we substitute temporarily from one for the other. Anger or physical violence to let out emotion or crying for no reason to let out the spiritual. Mainly because we don't know how to recognize things for what they are. This lack of understanding makes people tune the wrong wheel.

I can understand what you feel when you talk about others pain and hurt. This is simply us trying to put ourselves in their shoes and looking at it from our inner self. Sort of externally trying to tune their wheels.

I evolved into this type of thinking it just didn't happen. Some things I can change others I cant and I needed to be able to recognize the things I couldn't. Its an ongoing process. Remember not only am I changing so is everyone else constantly.



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Old 8th May 2000, 18:52
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Andrew,
I agree with you that Hell is a "concept".
In ancient Hebrew text Satan is referred to as "temptation" or an "obstical" in seeking the "truth". It is the more modern religions that seem to promote Hell as some sort of physical holding place for lost souls and that is what I have a hard time believing.
Many Catholics believe in "Original" sin even though it was thought up by men of the early Catholic Church centuries after Christ's existance here on Earth. Of course, it was a "built-in" tactic to cause fear among people and have their children become members of their church upon birth.
Most modern Christian religions want their members to accept Christ as Saviour when the person is old enough to reason right from wrong. Yet Neil makes a good point, what of such people who never heard of Christianity but belong to a religion that their tribe has believed in for centuries? Even if they are good, devout, people? Are they then excluded from the "hereafter" because God nixed their people's religion unbeknownst to them?

Pudding,
My father died when I was 18 months old. I think as a young child I grew up believing in a "Heaven" where Daddy was. I have gone through many phases of wondering WHAT I truly believe. Personally, I do believe in a Higher Spirit however I'm a little unorthadox in my beliefs in that I think believing in Christ is just ONE of several ways to find that kind of spiritualism.
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Old 8th May 2000, 20:20
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Hi Pudding,
Here I am! So you're thinking I'm just a little clever baby... Well I don't know if you're right... I'm 22, I study philosophy (just ending my thesis)... I though philosophy was an excellent way to open one's mind and to learn thinking about questions by oneself...
Yes, my mother is catholic and I went with her to church when I was a child...Now I'm quite intelligent to go there by myself. I went across the ideals of teen-age, now I decide what belive and I belive in Jesus and in his love with all my mind, heart and soul!
Standing before the Cross all human beliefs, human logic fall down!! Nothing can explain the deeper sense of our existences without that cross...But I know you cannot understand what I say, did you ever feel loved by your Creator? I feel. Did you ever have an explanation to human no-senses? Jesus is the answer! Do you know St. Francesco d'Assisi? Try to read something about him if you want to try to understand what I'm saying...
I hope you will...
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Old 8th May 2000, 20:26
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Pudding, I also have what could be called an "unorthodox" belief system. I broke away from organized religion as soon as I was able to. I never believed in the concept of putting fear into people as a testament of "true" faith.
I have a mixture of beliefs ranging from Native American beliefs, to the Earth religions. I believe in the Holy Spirit and I believe that the "Spirit" is all around us.


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Old 8th May 2000, 20:40
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Becca,
I feel very similar to the way you do.
My grandparents were Catholic, My mother Protestent, my step-dad Baptist and I had a lot of friends growing up who were Mormon. ALL of these religions at one time claimed they had the "hot-line" to God.

The church we are members of now is a Christian Church of tolerance. We have had Jewish Rabbi's, Native American Spiritualist, etc. give guest sermons. The church does not have a rigid set of "doctrine" in espousing it's beleifs but it offers a fellowship of those searching for spiritual "enlightenment".
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Old 8th May 2000, 20:46
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Hi Willy. We had a "holy war" in our house, well between relatives that is. My mother was Luthern, my dad grew up Catholic. After they married, he converted to the Luthern church. "Holy Smoke!!!" One of the two worse religions to merge.
On top of my grandfather learning with had "Injun" in us. We were nothing but little heathens to him. He also considered himself to be an excellent Catholic.

I get my spiritual enlightenment from being outdoors and books now.

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