To scotish republican

[DistantCelt]

What is the point in all this, what are you guys trying to say? Are you trying to say that because you ((wish)) that there is some mistakes in the bible, God does not exist?

What i am trying to say is that the bible has MANY inaccuracies and flaws and therefore it is NOT the literal word of a divine God.
God might or might not exist as far as i am concerned.

Given the inaccuracies in the bible, it is just another book in the long list of books that are fanatical forgeries.
Every religious book is that way.
Trouble with the bible is that unlike some of the other faiths out there, it has comparably very little sophisticated knowledge in it.

[Ceannaideach]

Originally posted by Scottish_Republican
And your statement there also proves that your religion is based on FEAR, not on love.

Christianity is based on love, the love of God for the lost, the love of Christ that he would go to the cross to die for us. But there is fear, and why not? God is all powerful and the mere sound or feeling of his presence makes us scared:

Daniel:

[Dan 10:5] I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of the finest gold around his waist.
[Dan 10:6] His body was like chrysolite, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.
[Dan 10:7] I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; the men with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves.
[Dan 10:8] So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision; I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale and I was helpless.

John:

[Rev 1:17] When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Why are we afraid? Because deep down we know that we have rebelled against our Creator and we know that this rebellion (sin) requires punishment. However the story does not end there, because of God's Love and Grace through the death of his only Son, Jesus Christ. We are not only forgiven, but made children of God, co - heirs with Christ. Accredited with his righteousness.

How do we get this? Merely by trusting God and accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

[ANDY-J2]

Originally posted by DrJames
What is the point in all this, what are you guys trying to say? Are you trying to say that because you ((wish)) that there is some mistakes in the bible, God does not exist?

Even if there were hundeds of mistakes within the bible it would only cast doubt upon the existence of the God of Christianity.I've never stated that I don't believe in God,except it isn't the God of the bible.

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally posted by DrJames
What is the point in all this, what are you guys trying to say? Are you trying to say that because you ((wish)) that there is some mistakes in the bible, God does not exist?

The first answer - I'm pointing out that the writers of the Bible didn't know what the Earth was like. They appear to have believed it was flat, which it almost certainly isn't.

The second answer - if there are mistakes in the Bible, then this does not mean God doesn't exist. However it can prove that it is either not God's work, or that God is very different to how Christians think he is.

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally posted by Ceannaideach

Christianity is based on love, the love of God for the lost, the love of Christ that he would go to the cross to die for us. But there is fear, and why not? God is all powerful and the mere sound or feeling of his presence makes us scared:

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Why are we afraid? Because deep down we know that we have rebelled against our Creator and we know that this rebellion (sin) requires punishment. However the story does not end there, because of God's Love and Grace through the death of his only Son, Jesus Christ. We are not only forgiven, but made children of God, co - heirs with Christ. Accredited with his righteousness.

How do we get this? Merely by trusting God and accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

You're afraid to die for one.

You're afraid to be punished for another.

You don't want to face the idea this might be it. But you also don't want to face the idea that you might be punished for what you've done too.

"Death of his only son" - yes, a form of suicide to pay off your own debts. Great idea.

"God is all powerful"

An all-powerful/omnipotent God did not create the Bible. The Bible is too flawed for such a thing. You may be barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for an omnipotent God. God might be trying to tell you not to accept a manmade book, just because it had wide popularity, but to look for God's real self.

[lotrlover]

Then how do you explain the life changing events that are happening in people's lives all over the world and have been going on for centuries? Do you really think that it is possible that the disciples made up the ressurection of Jesus just so that they could all (except John and he was tortued by being boiled in oil) be murdered in various other sickening forms that the Romans had mastered the art of? Do you really think that for example Peter would ask to be crucified on A CROSS upside down so he wouldn't be crucified the same way up as Jesus?

That doesn't make sense. How can it? Because even if they had originally set out to do it all for their own enterainment (which I highly doubt) you would think that along the way somewhere one of the original twelve would have dropped out and renounced it.

Dying on a cross was supposed to be the worst way of dying that has ever been invented in history.

Also, if he is omnipresent, then it won't really be very hard for everyone to see him when he comes to earth,

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally posted by lotrlover
Then how do you explain the life changing events that are happening in people's lives all over the world and have been going on for centuries?

In the same way I explain the life changing events which happen to people who are not Christian and never will be, but attribute them to some other god or faith.

But Christians refuse to acknowledge these in my experience writing them off as "counterfeit", despite the results being similar.