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[DistantCelt]

The historical character of Jesus, if he existed, didn't die on a cross.
That is categoric.
The Romans did NOT crucify on a cross, they nailed you to a stake.

As per visions or no vision, its rather odd that some guy will have visions of a tall tree from where he could see ALL the earth and a so-called messenger of God agreed with him- something that is a factual impossibility.

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally posted by smb

BUT...God is consistant and flawless.

We assume that God is. What if God wasn't flawless? The idea disturbs Christians. What if God wasn't omnipotent? That disturbs them too.

"The Romans did NOT crucify on a cross, they nailed you to a stake."

This is untrue. They certainly did, not any regularly shaped cross like in a church, but they certainly did, and they did it to Spartacus.

[Scottish_Republican]

"And when that day comes SR (because come it will!), if you are not by then a Christian, well, the rest of revelation pretty much spells it out for you."

That's what Khaled the Muslim says about you.

Fact is that the Bible gets so much wrong, that I don't trust it on that. It is not the work of a good, consistent, omnipotent being.

And your statement there also proves that your religion is based on FEAR, not on love.

"Plus Jesus is God, Omnipresent."

A little crypto-pantheism?

"You won't be commenting on the scientifc impossiblities with the King of glory hovering in the clouds."

If the King of Glory (as you put it) comes along, I'm sure he'll have a word in the ear of all those who believed in false scriptures, and prophecies which never came true.

"Yes errors occur in translation but not dramatic errors, the eternal message of salvation through Jesus death on the cross will always be truth."

The New Testament can't even get the time of day correct for this important event. Face facts, the guy was virtually lynched for going against unquestioning orthodoxy in the Jewish faith. The "Christians" of today often have more in common with the Pharisees.

"Although its not a complete vacuum"

So that made it alright for those people to be EXECUTED.

[DistantCelt]

BUT...God is consistant and flawless.

There is nothing consistent or flawless about the Judeo-Christianic God.

There is nothing consistent about 'all merciful and all loving' and genociding Caananites, genocide of the biblical flood( if it actually happened), an 'enlightened messenger' not even realising that you cannot see all the earth from the top of an extremely tall tree, etc etc.

The Judeo-Christianic God is definately flawed. He displays classic traits of jealousy, tantrums and inconsistent behaviour, ie, changing the rules midway and guilty of favouritism.

[DistantCelt]

This is untrue. They certainly did, not any regularly shaped cross like in a church, but they certainly did, and they did it to Spartacus.

Actually, from what I've read, the evidence points towards stakes and not crosses.
Ie, you were nailed to a single column of wood, with your hands crossed above your head

[Scottish_Republican]

Originally posted by DistantCelt

Actually, from what I've read, the evidence points towards stakes and not crosses.
Ie, you were nailed to a single column of wood, with your hands crossed above your head

There is certainly more than one method, but cross bars were not uncommon either. The cross was more likely like a T, and living trees were also used too.

[DrJames]

As per visions or no vision, its rather odd that some guy will have visions of a tall tree from where he could see ALL the earth and a so-called messenger of God agreed with him- something that is a factual impossibility.


What is the point in all this, what are you guys trying to say? Are you trying to say that because you ((wish)) that there is some mistakes in the bible, God does not exist?

You do not need to repent of your sins and turn to christ for forgivness of sins?

Are you trying to get some excuses not to repent? Well!1 I hope it work out for you.