The Children of Judas........

[Talon]

Originally posted by Mistress
Talon I do agree with you as most of the Vampyre stories of today, are in fact a Myth and perhaps tales carried thru the years.. But It is a very large world out there, as you know and as I am just learning and many feel and live by the Dark World.

I wanted to share with you all this story about the Legend of Judas Children that I read. It is a bit of a sick.. lol.. piece actually.. Tell me what you think..

The Children of Judas

This legend hailing from the Balkans, bespeaks of a particularly nasty clan of Vampyres which are the off spring of Judas Iscariot.

These Vampyres are considered the uttermost vile and ravenous of the Balkan undead. They are distinguished by their flaming Red hair (Judas was a reputed red head.) And the infamous XXX teeth marks that their bite leaves upon their victims (Which signifies the thirty pieces of silver.)

They posses the ability to siphon all of their preys blood in a single kiss. They are also crazed for vengence, and often ressurrect in a means in which best to obtain their revenge, so they often return as the opposite sex in order to seduce their aggitator and kill them unexpectedly, however, they may be little and single minded killers who only leave a bloody swath behind them. The tell tale triple X mark, the only clue to be found.

Sadly, there are only a handfull of written accounts pertaining to the Children of Judas. This legend was mainly passed down orally from generation to generation.

Aye.. so what do you think of this tale?

ok..well firstly I would have to comment on the fact that you them or anyone would refer to actual un-dead vampires to being in a clan...cause without human emmotion how would this be possible...how could it be possibly to work together as a team without respect and reguard for each other...which the un-dead cannot possibly have..you have to think of real vampirism as something akin to what you know of Zombies before you can get to understanding what a vampire could be...if they truly exist...

and i do not deny in the possibility of these self-proclaimed "children".. but you have to understand also that if they are organised in anyway outside of the singular emmotionless individualality of ghoulishness, then they are humans maquerading as vampires...and its not outwith the realm of reason that they had a particular immplement to mark there victims..and its also not outwith reason that they could medically remove all the blood the wished with nothing but basic ananomical knowledge...

so I am sorry, but if in truth you wish my to answer I will have to say that that no..I believe it can only be an illusion created by myth and history...

to discus real vampirism you have to let go of everything that hollywood has taught you...you have to realise that with the basic principles that you know about vampires....how can it be possible for a bloodless undead emmotionless beast to care about anything but its own substanence

[Mistress]

Originally posted by Talon
so I am sorry, but if in truth you wish my to answer I will have to say that that no..I believe it can only be an illusion created by myth and history...

to discus real vampirism you have to let go of everything that hollywood has taught you...you have to realise that with the basic principles that you know about vampires....how can it be possible for a bloodless undead emmotionless beast to care about anything but its own substanence

[i]No worries Talon.. I don't have a particular way that I wish for you to answer.. Your input is just fine.. and I am glad actually to hear it all being put into question and I also welcome all that you wish to share with me and others here.

I do not however hold my discussions based on "Hollywood" Vampyres. I know all about the differences between what Hollywood has portrayed the Vampyre as, to what the "Myth or if you will "Real stories" behind it all.

The information, or rather questions that I ask are solely based on some research that I have done for a mate, and in thus research, it has left several things to question in my own mind.

If I was to answer this on my own behalf, the I would have to say No.. I don’t know feel that strongly about the existence of it all. However, like I have stated already, anything is possible.

What does amaze me however is the vase cult of followers in this particular lifestyle and how they actually do follow all that I have read.

So.. here is my next question..

You have a "i.e.: Person" whom feels lost and depressed.. and starts on a path of "awakening" and therefore continues to follow what they are taught, or read or lead into. They do what is listed as far as feedings, and they basically live what would be considered a Vampryes lifestyle.. So what does that make them exactly?

[tayman]

here's another one for you all to ponder on

that instead of judas as the first vampire consider cain the first. look forward to you replies

vampire Myths - Cain

One of the most current and popular myths involving the vampire origin is that of the Biblical character, Cain. Most are familiar with the biblical tale of the first murder ever committed, but for those who are not, here is the story.

Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain, a tiller of the ground, and Abel, a shepherd. Both brought offerings to God, Cain brought the fruits of the ground, and Abel, brought one of his flock as an offering. God approved of Abel’s offering, but not that of Cain’s. Cain became very angry at this. As he and Abel where in the field on day, Cain rose up and struck his brother repeatedly until he was dead. God asked Cain “Where is your brother?” and Cain answered “Am I my brothers keeper?”. God asked Cain what he had done, that his brothers blood cried to him from the earth. For his punishment in slaying his brother, Cain was cursed, the ground would not produce anything for him any longer, a fugitive and vagabond he would be. Cain told God his punishment was more than he could bear, to always be hidden from the face of God and driven out from the face of the earth. Cain also told God his concern of being killed, but God set a mark upon Cain that if any should harm him, they would suffer punishment sevenfold. Cain then left into the land of Nod.

In myth, it is said that the curse that God had set upon Cain was to be cast into a world of darkness with a continuous craving for blood, and this curse has been passed from generation to generation, all the way up to the vampires of today. It is said that when Cain went into the world of darkness, that he became acquainted with Lilith, the first wife of Adam. She had given some of her blood to Cain, which awakened him to his ability. After wandering for years in the wild, he returned to being amongst the mortals where he built a city called Enoch. There, Cain created the second generation of vampires by turning three mortals, they in turn created a third generation of vampires in vast numbers, and Cain finally forbade the creation of vampires from thence on.

After some time, the city Cain had built was destroyed by a flood. Cain ended up abandoning the city and leaving all the generations of vampires behind to do what ever they wanted, but before he left, he reminded them of his command to not create any more vampires. The vampires completely rebelled against Cain’s command and made a 4th generation of vampires, who rose up against the elder vampires of the third generation, killing all but a very few.

Over the next 1000 years, At times, it was said that a person who claimed to be Cain appeared here and there. One of his most heightened appearances is known in a story in which he appeared amongst a band of gypsies and embracing a man by the name of Ravnos, after his father had been killed by other vampires. As time went on, Ravnos was introduced to Ennoia (Ennoia was the daughter of Lilith, and half sister of Cain.)Ravnos ended up turning Ennoia into a vampire. Ennoia later betrayed Ravnos and caused death to come upon Ravnos. Because of this, Cain cursed her. Ennoia later became known as the creator of the clan Gangrel. It is said that if Cain ever makes any appearances, it is done rather speedily.

No one belonging to the present day VTM, better known as the Camarilla, have made any accusations that they have seen Cain, nor have they stated that there is any truth to this VTM vampire myth of origin.

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[Talon]

Originally posted by Mistress
You have a "i.e.: Person" whom feels lost and depressed.. and starts on a path of "awakening" and therefore continues to follow what they are taught, or read or lead into. They do what is listed as far as feedings, and they basically live what would be considered a Vampryes lifestyle.. So what does that make them exactly?

Ok with this we do enter a completly different realm, though there are many "living" people whom would be described to have what we would also call a vampiric nature... this does not mean that they are actual vampires by the standards previously discussed..i.e. Zombies...within this new realm of discussion there are many different types of vampiric natures too...ranging from people who do feed on each others blood and gain strength from it known as bloodletting.. to people who will feed emmotionally on others (Psychic or Psi-Vamp).. my advice to any would-be vampire is to find a coven or cirlce .. a group of people whom have experience with these matters and can advise them in the right ways in discovering exactly what type of vampire they actually are...and to help them with the new path to their awakening...far to many people try to do it alone with limited knowledge or do it in small groups with limited knowledge. This will only ever ultimatly result in much pain and damage to the individuals fumbling through the dark..like many things in the occult much preperation and understanding should be present before anything is ever attempted...vampirism is not a path for the weak nor an excuse for the different...very few people who pose as vampires are actually real vampires they just like the wierdness of the world they can surrond themselves with...such people also often have little respect for others and end up only hurting the community and its newer, less experienced members..

but to keep this short..lol..in answer to your question.."what does it make them" it makes them an individual with needs, that if left unchecked, or with questions uncared for or unanswered, they could become a danger to themselves and possibly others around them....Primarily you will find that younger..newer..awakening..vampires are quite naturally depressed people...and vampiric knowledge and becoming surronded by other dark thinking people can help the individuals to find again a personal identity...or rather to find for the first time, a personal identity...

but like I have said...many strange sadistic and unfriendly individuals hang about in these circles..and the individual must always be on there guard to the sadists that can be attracted to this lifestyle...as in any walk of life...you have to be wary..and trust your own judgement..always better to air on the side of caution and ask advice from multiple sources rather than just one..... education is everything...probably even life...as a bad choice in this realm could lead to blood disease or death

[Mistress]

Originally posted by tayman
here's another one for you all to ponder on

that instead of judas as the first vampire consider cain the first. look forward to you replies

vampire Myths - Cain

One of the most current and popular myths involving the vampire origin is that of the Biblical character, Cain. Most are familiar with the biblical tale of the first murder ever committed, but for those who are not, here is the story.

[i]Aye Tayman...

I use to be a member over at Darkness Embrassed... and I have read this article and it is a good one as well.. ...

Thanks..

[Mistress]

[quote]Originally posted by Talon
[b]

Originally posted by Mistress
but to keep this short..lol..in answer to your question.."what does it make them" it makes them an individual with needs, that if left unchecked, or with questions uncared for or unanswered, they could become a danger to themselves and possibly others around them....Primarily you will find that younger..newer..awakening..vampires are quite naturally depressed people...and vampiric knowledge and becoming surronded by other dark thinking people can help the individuals to find again a personal identity...or rather to find for the first time, a personal identity...

but like I have said...many strange sadistic and unfriendly individuals hang about in these circles..and the individual must always be on there guard to the sadists that can be attracted to this lifestyle...as in any walk of life...you have to be wary..and trust your own judgement..always better to air on the side of caution and ask advice from multiple sources rather than just one..... education is everything...probably even life...as a bad choice in this realm could lead to blood disease or death

[i]Yes I have also realized that many of these newly "awakend" Vampires are that of younger children. I've met many ranging from the ages of 13 to 18+ and it seems, as i've been thru this period of my life already.. lol.. that it is a most trying and confusing time for a teenager. I hope that the parents are paying attention however, for it is easy to slip through the cracks of society and really get lost in life.

As for the Blood Disease and what bad things could come of walking on the wrong side and not being educated, well.. I've seen that too. so.. I am in total agreement with you on this one Talon...