Equation of One God without partners

[kazanova3]

Equation of One God without partners



Father = 1.0 Son = 1.0 Holy Spirit =1.0
{total} = 3.0


Even if we use the Christian mathematical equation of "trinity", it does not add up.


The Christian's technique of addition is that {Father}& {Son} & {Holy Spirit} are all "equal" and therefore 1.0


Yet the Bible gives us a different equation for the numerical value of Jesus.


Jesus admits "..my Father is greater than I", {John 14:28} This subtracts a Decimal {-0.1}


"I can of mine own self do nothing...," {John 5:30} This subtracts another decimal {-0.1}


At this point, Jesus in no longer a complete 1.0 but now a {0.8}





Now the list of figures are {Father} =1.0 {Jesus} = 0.8 and {Holy Spirit} = 1.0, Bringing the Total to {2.8}


Reading and depending on the Bible, there is a "quantity" that is overlooked by Christians which has clear value in this equation.


Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood like Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10;6:20)


Melchizedek has no beginning and no end, no Mother and no Father {Hebrew 7:3}, now that is what I call an immaculate conception!


First, Jesus sought to be a High Priest like Melchizedek.


Second, Melchizedek had a more Miraculous birth, without a "mother" or "father", with no beginning or end, although Melchizedek clearly worshiped 1 God so we will give Melchizedek a value of {0.9}


Now the total according to the Bible and Christian belief is


{Father} =1.0 {Jesus} = 0.8 {Holy Spirit} = 1.0 and {Melchizedek} = 0.9


Bringing the Total to {3.7}


There are more variables which we can add for example Genesis 32:24-30 Jacob wrestles with God. God can not win against Jacob.


This information would make Jacob a {1.1} the Father would remains at {1.0} since through out the Bible, Isaiah 43:10-11,Deuteronomy 4:39, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah44:6, Isaiah45:6, Isaiah 45:22, Exodus 20:3, Exodus 34:14, the Bible "Clearly" States that God is {1.0}


"For there is One God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus", (I Timothy 2:5).





Of course I am not that good in math, there is a form of advanced mathematics in Christianity that I just can't comprehend, that is the "changing variables" Which means, at one point in the Bible, God is given a quantity and then later on that quantity is either subtracted from or added to or in other words, "fluctuating values".


For example:


God is given the value and quantity of "Never sleeping",


(Psalm 121:4): "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." And Yet according to trinity then Jesus is supposed to have this "Equal" power but "Jesus sleeps"


How can Jesus be 100% Equal if he worshipped God as any other mortal (Luke 5:16):


"And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed."


Jesus was tempted by Satan for forty days (Luke 4:1-13) but in James 1:13 is said: "...for God cannot be tempted with evil.."


I am confused, If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "Equal", why doesn't the Bible "consistently" say they are equal instead of giving them and "others" changing values.


I think I will refer to the "Teachers Edition" to get the answers to this complicated question "


"O people of the book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was [no more or less than] a messenger of Allah, and His word, which he bestowed upon Mary, and a spirit preceding from Him: so believe in Allah and his messengers.


Say not "Three": desist!, it is better for you, for Allah is one God, Glory be to Him, Far exalted is He above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs." Qur'an (4):171.


Now it all makes sense, the Qur'an clarified what the Bible is saying. I would be going against the Bible itself if I had "unsupported inconsistent faith in trinity" because the Bible says: "For God is not the Author of confusion, but of peace.." (I Corinthians 14:33).


best regards to all

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

Originally posted by kazanova3
Jesus admits "..my Father is greater than I", {John 14:28} This subtracts a Decimal {-0.1}

"I can of mine own self do nothing...," {John 5:30} This subtracts another decimal {-0.1}

At this point, Jesus in no longer a complete 1.0 but now a {0.8}

"In point of fact the doctrine of the Incarnation involves that, in regard of His Human Nature, the Son should be less than the Father. No argument against Catholic doctrine can, therefore, be drawn from this text. So too, the passages referring to the dependence of the Son upon the Father do but express what is essential to Trinitarian dogma, namely, that the Father is the supreme source from Whom the Divine Nature and perfections flow to the Son."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

Still 1.0

Originally posted by kazanova3
Melchizedek has no beginning and no end, no Mother and no Father {Hebrew 7:3}, now that is what I call an immaculate conception!

The statement that Melchizedek is without "father, mother, or ancestry" is most likely a reference to his lacking a recorded geneaology. This would fit in with the whole purpose of the passage, namely, to show that the Levites were priests because of who their fathers were, but Melchizedek and Christ were priests becasue of who they were. The statement "without beginning of days or end of life" is a refrence to the fact that neither his birth nor death is recorded in the Torah, which makes him a striking type of the eternal priesthood of Christ.

Originally posted by kazanova3
There are more variables which we can add for example Genesis 32:24-30 Jacob wrestles with God. God can not win against Jacob.

Nope, Hosea 12:5 says that it was an angel. Jacob was wrestling with an angel of the Lord.

Originally posted by kazanova3
Of course I am not that good in math, there is a form of advanced mathematics in Christianity that I just can't comprehend, that is the "changing variables" Which means, at one point in the Bible, God is given a quantity and then later on that quantity is either subtracted from or added to or in other words, "fluctuating values".

No, he's one God throughout the whole Bible.

Originally posted by kazanova3
God is given the value and quantity of "Never sleeping",

(Psalm 121:4): "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." And Yet according to trinity then Jesus is supposed to have this "Equal" power but "Jesus sleeps"

Yes, Jesus had assumed our humanity. That's why he could experience pain, death, and he could sleep.

Originally posted by kazanova3
How can Jesus be 100% Equal if he worshipped God as any other mortal

He didn't worship God just like any other mortal. He called God abba, father, and when the Pharisess heard this they exclaimed that He was making Himself equal to God. And He was.

Jesus was tempted by Satan for forty days (Luke 4:1-13) but in James 1:13 is said: "...for God cannot be tempted with evil.."
Amen. Satan tried, but he didn't stand a chance. Evil has no appeal to God.

Originally posted by kazanova3
I am confused, If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "Equal", why doesn't the Bible "consistently" say they are equal instead of giving them and "others" changing values.

The mystery is revealed progressively. The Old Testament reveals the Father, Jesus' earthly ministry reveals the Son, and the Holy Spirit is revealed at Pentecost.

[whatsthisthen]

Allah admits that He has partners

Allah works together with devils / shaytans / evil ones in appointing them to the task of helping Him in misguiding the Unbelievers :

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/019.qmt.html#019.083
019.083

YUSUFALI: Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury?
PICKTHAL: Seest thou not that We have set the devils on the disbelievers to confound them with confusion?
SHAKIR: Do you not see that We have sent the Shaitans against the unbelievers, inciting them by incitement?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/043.qmt.html#043.036

043.036
YUSUFALI: If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious, We appoint for him an evil one, to be an intimate companion to him.
PICKTHAL: And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of the Beneficent, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade;
SHAKIR: And whoever turns himself away from the remembrance of the Beneficent Allah, We appoint for him a Shaitan, so he becomes his associate.

Ibn Kathir's tafsir:
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=19&tid=31720

The Power of the Devils over the Disbelievers


Concerning Allah's statement,
(See you not that We have sent the Shayatin against the disbelievers to push them to do evil.) `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said, "They will lead them astray with temptation.'' Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas said, "They will incite them against Muhammad and his Companions.'' Qatadah said, "They will harass them and disturb them until they disobey Allah.''

`Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd said, "This is similar to Allah's statement,
(And whosoever turns away blindly from the remembrance of the Most Gracious, We appoint for him a Shaytan to be a companion for him.) '' [43:36]

043.037
YUSUFALI: Such (evil ones) really hinder them from the Path, but they think that they are being guided aright!
PICKTHAL: And lo! they surely turn them from the way of Allah, and yet they deem that they are rightly guided;
SHAKIR: And most surely they turn them away from the path, and they think that they are guided aright:

What a friendly God... :-s

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Allah also appoints enemies for every prophet He sends... (and then later puts the blame on these poor human enemies, who had no choice then to fullfill the role that Allah assigned to them...) :-s

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/006.qmt.html#006.112

006.112
YUSUFALI: Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.
PICKTHAL: Thus have We appointed unto every prophet an adversary - devils of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising;
SHAKIR: And thus did We make for every prophet an enemy, the Shaitans from among men and jinn, some of them suggesting to others varnished falsehood to deceive (them), and had your Lord pleased they would not have done it, therefore leave them and that which they forge.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/025.qmt.html#025.031

025.031
YUSUFALI: Thus have We made for every prophet an enemy among the sinners: but enough is thy Lord to guide and to help.
PICKTHAL: Even so have We appointed unto every prophet an opponent from among the guilty; but Allah sufficeth for a Guide and Helper.
SHAKIR: And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the sinners and sufficient is your Lord as a Guide and a Helper.

[StormyOne]

I just wanted to post a reply to the Christians knocking on Islam, referenced in Genesis. It states that "We made man in OUR image." That implies that God had equals other than His own divinity. There are other passages that state God was in competition for worship, and His acknowledgement of other gods. Now before anyone accuses me of being Islamic or Muslim, I am not. I just wanted to essentially put in my "two cents worth."

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

The plural could just as easily be a reference to the trinity as to a multiplicity of gods. Also, it is clear from the context of passages which talk about God being in competition for worship that His competitors are imaginary gods/idols, not rival deities of equal power.

[StormyOne]

Fear,

I'm not saying that there aren't different interpretations to be made. I just wanted to essentially keep the thread going. Theology is an interesting topic, and I felt the need to share. Thanks for your reply.

Stormy

[Theja]

Muhammad is the associate of Allah in Muslim belief and confession.

Proof 1. There is no god but Allah and Muhammad.... Remember the Shahada is not complete without mentioning Muhammad along with associate Allah.

Proof 2. One-fifth of all loots belong to Allah: and so one-fifth of all loots were surrendered to Muhammad. That's how Muhammad could support 15 wives and several concubines.

Proof 3. Muhammad is above the law: 15 wives for himself, but only four wives for others. But all the early Caliphs had more wives than Muhammad.