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Check out the variety of dancers. We got Eddie Torres and Maria, who are in not young and not slim at all dancing so well. It doesn't matter how old you are really or even if you have a certain look. We dance since early childhood. Check out these little kids. The boys start so young. It is how we all socialized with family, community, neighbors and friends. Johnny can't be older than eleven or twelve yet he dances so well: http://www.justsalsa.com/puertorico/...hnnyolivia.htm Just click on the Johnny Vasquez and Olivia part to see the movieclip in realplayer. And Eddie too. Just go to Eddie and Maria with "Castellano que bueno baila usted" and you should get those two old ones dancing!! Lol. Let me see if I can get this pair of sexy dancers too on here. I don't know. Why am I doing this now? Well SE, I went dancing on Saturday and had so much fun that now on Sunday my every muscle aches with the overexertion. It is so relaxing to dance your head off!! The next day no stress, no worries, just a good feeling and some sore feet and calves. http://www.justsalsa.com/puertorico/...ies/17665a.mpg SE, I just opened this link and that song, "Vamos Rumbero" it made me smile so much. The girl in pink with the hip action!! I think I danced with her brother a long time ago!! I recognized her style!! I love that old rumbero song. I remember when I was about nine, I would move those hips to that song, and near the jam session part my father would lift me high in the air and spin me around. How I would laugh and beg to be put down before the song ended. Oh, SE. One of the joys of this culture I live, is that all that emotion is allowed free reign and accepted at all times. I love meditation SE. Complete silence is great. But one wants energy and the heartbeat of life. Nothing beats those old primal rythyms to let you know you are ALIVE damnit!! And your heartbeat and the drums are the same!! You both pulse with life. All life comes from a basic rythym. A dance. From the moment of conception to your final breath and heartbeat. Boom, thump, boom, thump. THere is el ritmo in everything. In the stillness and in the sounds of life on earth. I know you understand me SE. You are way too perceptive a man not to. The girl in pink. Hmm. How she made me think of such good times: http://www.justsalsa.com/puertorico/...ies/17609a.mpg
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QUOTE=TheScottishEconomist]Erm, like George Washington I can’t tell a porky pie, and as I don’t want my nose to grow any longer, I must truthfully answer (and in my beautiful graceful German): nein. Tut mir leid!
![]() PRgirl: You are so cute with a long nose SE!! Thanks! You know compared to the United States the UK is quite socialistic. We love the National Health Service and state schools, and no government would get into power if it threatened those sort of things. British people are horrified at the American Health service, indeed so are most sensible Americans.PRgirl: Scottish people don't know how good they have it!! Lol. Despite its poverty areas and high unemployment in bad parts of the city, they have socialism installed plugging away for survival for everyone. Unfortunately did you know over 18,000 Americans in the USA die a year for lack of health insurance and inability to pay. You don't have the dough or might have to foreclose on your home to pay for surgery. It is primitive values with high tech equipment and training. They have sophisticated equipment but primitive out of control charges for health services. My husband got a simple heart diagnostic and my eyes bugged out over ten thousand dollars for a test that took 15 minutes to complete. They tried to charge me 4k for it. No way!! I have to pay a huge amount for health insurance per month and the insurance doesn't want to pay for anything. It sucks. The whole system is destined to crash and burn unless it becomes forceably socialized. The private insurance is killing people. The insurance doesn't want doctors to spend on patients and the premiums keep going up and up. The doctors are scared of not being able to recommend a treatment for a patient thinking the patient doesn't have the coverage. It is awful crap!! I am not much of a traveller really, I have visited the following countries: England, Wales, Ireland, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, and Spain (including Spain’s island territories). Not too impressive really? I never visit anywhere long enough to get a good impression, I enjoyed Holland, Romania (under Ceausescu) was very interesting. The countries I have the most experience of are Spain and England. I remember my parents taking me to visit Barcelona Cathedral when I was in my early teenage years which sticks in the memory: ![]() , as for England, it is so flat compared to Scotland, I have always enjoyed the peace and tranquility of the Southern English coutryside: PRgirl: That is beautiful indeed. Spain is so regionalistic. The Catalanes are reknown for being business oriented, and cheapskates. And highly disloyal to Madrid. lol. All Spaniards have a bit of the anarchist in them. They really do. Even the super conservatives have a streak of anarchy in them. I should know I met a lot. Charming, silver tongue, cheeky, and traditional mixed with irreverence. Interesting lot. Puerto Ricans are so different from the Spaniards. Like I told AndyJ3 we wear Spanish masks and behind those masks there are African souls with no respect for tradition, just love of freedom, and expressiveness and a warm looseness without any of the old heaviness of Spanish Roman Catholicism. It is a curious mix. And a fine one. One made for the tropics and for the history of the entire Caribbean region. Out of many forging the one. There is no beating around the bush with Ricans. Not like Mexicans at all. You can be weeks with Mexicans and they will beat around the bush, be stoic and quiet and enigmatic as all hell, and won't tell you anything until you are hit with something you never knew about till the end. Totally different styles. The Mexican is wearing a Spanish mask with an Aztecan and Mayan soul underneath the mask. With all the complexity an old Native American Mesoamerican ancient culture has. Ricans are straight forward, irreverent unapologetic unrepressed Africans with some Spanish veneer. But somehow we all understand each other in a way. Must be all that trouble those damn Spaniards caused us for such a long time!! Lol. I think it probably a cultural difference; we are both products of very different societies with very different histories, and it would be very surprising if this did not impact on our views considerably, but I am afraid my knowledge of Puerto Rico is not anywhere near good enough for me to give a very considered opinion on this matter I am interested in what you mean by upper middle class values. It seems to me a term that could be difficult to define. Class is essentially an issue of status, but is not necessarily an economic issue. Income on the other hand is an economic issue, but not always related to class. In England there have been periodic outcries because the ‘wrong sort’ of people have started making money, the Essex man stereotype is a good example of this. Thankfully class is not much of an issue in Scotland, and it is becoming much less of an issue in England. PRgirl: Good idea to explore later on you and I. I will take it up for discussion. The UK has a long tradition of classism. Oh dear, speaking of cultural differences I think the above is unfortunately a fine example. I doubt very many Scottish kids would show any such enthusiasm for a foreign language. They would probably regard it with the same amount of enthusiasm as tidying up their bedrooms or doing household chores. PRgirl: Not if the Scottish kid were living in Spain and his parents spoke English to him at home but the entire world outside of home spoke Spanish. Then he or she would think it important to learn. All kids want to be part of the greater society they occupy. But the Latino kids all like learning new things. But they keep so many things that are traditional too. With regard to the reformation, it happened independently in Scotland and England. Henry VIII broke with the Catholic Church, but he was not strictly speaking a protestant. Henry’s break with Rome came a quarter of a century before Scotland’s reformation, and it was more about diminishing papal power over England than Henry getting a divorce. In Scotland Henry VIII’s nephew King James V criticised his uncles “Lutheran madness”, The Scottish reformation came several decades later than England in 1558, and happened very quickly (the same year the Catholic Queen Mary of England died and her sister Elizabeth came to the throne). At the time of the Scottish reformation Mary Queen of Scots was in her minority (and living in Catholic France, where she had married the dauphin Francois in 1558 and became Queen of France in 1559, though her husband died in 1560), and the country was ruled by Mary’s mother Marie of Guise. Historically Scotland has had a lot of minorities, and these can lead to weak governance, Marie of Guise was a catholic but she had to compromise with the Protestant party in Scotland in order to get the green light for the marriage to the dauphin. That allowed the Protestant party to grow in power, and when they needed military aid they appealed to Elizabeth of England (which she did finally send), and that allowed the French/Catholic influnce on Scotland to be broken. Eventually Mary Queen of Scots would give bith to yet another James, and he would gain the English throne upon the death of Elizabeth in England, but that’s the end of todays Scottish History lesson. I believe you can actually buy it here, though they charge in pounds sterling. Did you know there was a program on British TV suggesting that Black Gospel music had it origins in Gaelic psalm singing? I watched the program and thought it was inconclusive, though the producers seemed to think otherwise, but needless to say it has not gone down well in some quarters! I shall have a look at the Museo de Arte de Ponce website. Hasta luego [/quote]PRgirl: Something to be explored when I get back again. I got a busy week. But I love your posts. I am always happy with anticipation when I see your screename in this thread. Got me hooked on Scottish Economist in Glasgow suburb charm. Never would have thought so!! ![]()
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Todo tiene su final nada dura para siempre tenemos que recordar que no existe eternidad. Como el lindo clavel sólo quizo florecer y enseñarnos su belleza y marchito perecer. Todo tiene su final nada dura para siempre tenemos que recordar que no existe eternidad. Como el campeón mundial dio su vida por llegar y perder lo más querido en la masa es otro más. Eeh alalalele lelele todo tiene su final. (Todo tiene su final) si no me quieres dímelo ahora (todo tiene su final) a mi velorio no venga a llorar no, no. (Todo tiene su final) ay mamita rica (todo tiene su final) yo sabía que un día tenía que acabar. (Todo tiene su final) punto final todo se acabó Warning: Appalling translation ahead Might be an idea just to skip this bit.Everything has its end nothing lasts for always we have that to remember that it does not exist eternity. Like pretty clavel only quizo to bloom and to teach to us its beauty and withered to perish. Everything has its end nothing lasts for always we have that to remember that it does not exist eternity. Like the champion world-wide he gave his life to arrive and to lose the most wanted in the mass he is another one more. Eeh alalalele lelele everything has its end. (Everything has its end) if you do not want to me I occurred it now (everything has its end) to my velorio it does not come to cry no, no. (Everything has its end) ay mamita rich (everything has its end) I knew that a day it had that to finish. (Everything has its end) full stop everything finished (everything has its end) and it is going to arrive a demon atomic and he is going to clean to you. (Everything has its end) because everything it has his end (everything has its end) it throws pa´lante it sucks. Ay I lost the most wanted when I lost to my mother. (Everything has its end) but I followed pa´lante and pa´lante (everything has its end) ay, like I I never threw pa back. (Everything has its end) nor pa cogel impulse what goes (everything has its end) cuidao that the back they can to you to attack. (Everything has its end) it throws pa´lante cowardly (everything has its end) it walks and it sees búscate the bread. (Everything has its end) I hear a voice that it says to me (everything has its end) cuidao earth goes to shake earth goes to shake. It is the rhythm combined with the brass and the slight tinge of melancholy that pervades the whole song. I spotted Willie Colon (he also does backing vocals I see). Yes I liked the little boy in the cargo beanie hat too! I suppose to you the music is the kind of thing you are used to, though to me it sounds very exotic and makes me think of a more colourful and passionate culture (which of course it is). Quote:
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PRgirl: Oh SE, you don't know the half of it. I try to keep everything very fresh and work from scratch almost everything I serve. I bought a food processor and a really great blender and all my equipment (top of the line), so it is easier to do. But the really traditional stuff still requires la tostonera, and el pilon and all the labor intensive stuff. Sometimes when I had a long day at work, I open the fridge and see if the dough I left to rise is just right for baking, and I decide to make pasta (cuz it is fast), and I boil the water and add the pasta, and then I make the sauce from scratch, I cut fresh tomatoes season them with olive oil and salt and white pepper and add cut basil from my herb garden and so on and cut fresh green and red and yellow bell peppers into strips a little red wine, crushed garlic and I make the little meatballs with a lot of care. But he doesn't like it. He doesn't like pasta. I tell him I try to make the sauce really nice and the pasta is just a little filler. He doesn't like it. He wants rice or yautia masa, ayacas or alcapurrias. Those are so hard to make! You have to grate them by hand and soak them and work them and season them and tweak them. They are tropical vegetables that require a lot of processing to make. They take atleast three hours to process. And I can't use any of the modern equipment on those veggies. Too delicate. But he insists on it. He breaks my heart cuz I serve him the pasta and he ignores it and makes a face! The bread is fresh and he eats that. And the salad too. I make the dressing from scratch. Balsamic vinegar with white rice wine vinegar, extra virgin olive oil and some seasoning and salt and mix it. If the vegetables for the salad are not finely diced and the arugula and the spinach and lettuce and red onion and so on with the slivered almonds are not very finely chopped he doesn't like it either. And he only does that to me. He eats big leafy salads not finely chopped with other friend's who cook, but not with me. He doesn't like cucumbers, or celery, pasta, and prefers pink beans over black beans. He likes my Japanese food. But only the highly difficult dishes that take me two days to do. I tried a delicious simple miso and tofu with lemongrass recipe soup the other day with him, and he ate it but prefers the Chile Poblano with cheese and cream soup that is VERY labor intensive. Two days to make that soup. He wants the hard to make soup on a weeknight. I think I will take your advice then SE. Let him eat some crap American Gringo stuff for a while. Let him suffer. Maybe then he won't be such a complainer about the little stuff like the dried pasta cooked. Oh, but I love him so much SE. I love to please him. Make him happy. He is such a sweet man. Why oh why do I let him manipulate me in the kitchen?? I do love to cook and it is not as hard for me to do as other women friends of mine who hate the kitchen!! But even Laura thinks I spoil him way too much and that he needs to be less demanding. And consider how much work goes into all that cooking JUST for him. He doesn't like red cabbage, or chicken served without rice. He adores elaborate rice dishes that take forever like Paella. Mine won big bucks in a cookoff competition. The second runner up got mad as hell!! She was a Spanish lady and thought since it was a Spanish dish she should have won! But no...she lost. My secret weapon? Ajies dulces. They only grow in the tropics and kick all the competition to the curb due to its complex flavor. It was a secret my grandmother gave me. And it beat her paella. Plus I never use powdered saffron. She did. I go for the live threads wrapped in paper. She was angry!! HAHA. I got the prize money and I am going to buy those little girls I tutor a big dollhouse with all the accessories for Christmas. All from the prize money!! And a pair of fancy salsa dancing shoes I have been eyeing for a while and lacked the funds for!! Don't you think he should be less demanding and more lenient with me SE? At least with the mid week meals? Don't you? I will be back to translate the song lyrics of "Todo tiene su final" for you. And lots more. I got to go. But will be back. Let me see if Andy responded to my "train" description for me. Oh SE, it is so funny what you said about face slapped! Andy said the same when I told him I had my butt pinched by strange men on the public bus on a regular basis in PR. I don't like that part. Lol. But for the most part, I love the culture. It is a lot of fun. Some men dancers though, you can fall in love with them just by how they lead. How they touch you and how they handle the dance. But it is just dancing. Not anything else. How many 'piropos' I had to endure in Puerto Rico? Many, some very nice and with great taste. And others in poor taste and crude. Lol. But women are always noticed by men in our culture. I think my husband said it best "Oh, those Puerto Rican women. With their beautiful bodies, their warm hearts, fine cooking, intelligence and charm and they still cater to us all the time...how can we not find them the loveliest things on earth and not worth dying for? I thought maybe the USA had beautiful women. I did not know how beautiful our women were till I left." Yeah, as long as sticks to the one that adores him the most. Lol. Oh, SE, protestant or not. All men who are not gay, enjoy the uniqueness of women. If they have male hearts and minds they do.
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Todo Tiene su Final. Everything has an ending, nothing lasts forever, We must remember, that eternity doesn't exist, Like the lovely carnation It only wants to bloom, And show off its beauty, and then wilt and perish, Everything has an ending, nothing lasts forever, We must remember, that eternity doesn't exist, Like the world champion (boxing) that gives his all to achieve, and to lose in the attempt in the crowd of people becomes just another soul, Everything has an ending, nothing lasts forever, Everything has an ending, If you don't love me, tell me now. Everything has an ending, To my wake don't you come to cry. NO NO. Everything has an ending, Beautiful mamita, Everything has an ending I knew one day it all had to end, Everything has an ending period and its over. I lost my mother, that which I most adored in this world and there is no going back, not even to try to catch some momentum Forward only is the path of life, looking back is for cowards. Notes on the song: Scottish Economist, again wakes in the older traditons of the island were happy occassions in which one celebrates a life lived. No matter how briefly it was lived. Mamita rica---is an endearment said to a beautiful Puerto RIcan girl by her lover or husband or boyfriend. For the loveliest thing to be in our culture is a 'little mother' or papito--'little father'. In truth I think our culture is superficially patriarchical. But in reality it is a matriarchy. And most Puerto Rican men know that. Women are trusted to run so many things. The highest office in the land is the Governor's office. And a woman was elected recently for that. More than half of all judges including the top judges on the island are women. The lawyers and doctors about half are women. Have you heard of the Italian cultural modes of the 'mamalone'? Of the mama's boys in Italy? Where Mama was all important for the Italian men? It is the same in Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc. How easy it is for me to understand Italian society Scottish Economist. Especially that absolute love Italian mothers have for their sons and how much they cater to them. It is the same with us. Yet the men in our society really if they are in good shape mentally and physically and emotionally, really do have a lot of love and respect for us in their way. And they literally say that without us women, life sucks. Lol. But it is a sensual culture. In everyway. Things of the flesh are loved. Sunbathing, swimming, fishing in the deep sea, dancing, eating, laughing, drinking, music, poetry, oral traditions, watching pretty girls walk by and making comments. Lots of time spent on designing clothes or jewelry or hairstyles and fragrance and being social. Closing businesses at any excuse of a holiday. USA holidays are observed along with Puerto Rican holidays. Double doses of holidays. In fact, if I told you how many official holidays in which banks close and restaurants close and etc. closes down you would be shocked. Too many for real respect of making money only. You tell me that is a culture that is all about efficiency and profit? NO. Lol. Puerto Ricans want to make a living but never at the expense of family life, fun, and sensuality. No. Give it all up before you give up the good stuff! Other things like meditation and so much more is growing in followers. As long as it feels good it will have a market in Puerto Rico. Massage therapy? A hit. Health food, and fitness? A hit. New warm weather sports? A hit. Flower arrangement and exotic gardening? A hit. Skimpy outfits for women? A hit. New perfume? A hit. Jewelry designers? A hit. Exotic cuisine? A hit. Working too long hours in an office? A flop. Fiery politics and rumble in the jungle? A hit. Boring speeches on how to make more money--like you see in the USA on late night TV. A flop. Scrimping and being cheap with your time, money or favors with people you love? A flop. In fact, now that I reflect deeply on our culture Scottish Economist, we need people precisely like you are to give the culture a much needed reasonable and lovely balance to its absolutely over sensual loves. I am no exception to the love of sensuality either. I love all things that are pleasurable to the senses and I am not going to deny it either. And won't change. No. I love fine food. Lots of fine exercise. Beautiful paso fino horses and dogs and animals of all sorts, beautiful flowers. My husband and sex. I love it all. And I am not going to be repressed about it. No Senor. If they want to live worried about pleasures are bad. They aren't living and need to sing that song up there...."Todo tiene su final" and sieze the damn day and enjoy everything made for letting you know it is good to be alive at this time in life! What do people do when they live their lives 'a medias' half way? They are worried about crying too hard, or laughing too hard, or dancing too much. Why? That is precisely what relieves tension and gives you the relaxation needed to tackle the troubles that all of us in life have in abundance. What is so hard about kissing a child a lot and hugging them and letting them know you adore them? Or over petting a dog? Or breathing in your husband's skin's fragrance and enjoying his very essence and his breathing and his very pores. Or the taste of a ripe mango melting on your tongue and its sweet pungent juice dripping all over your chin? Or the warmth of the sun and the heat of water. The smell of lilies and roses? Laughing until your voicebox is hoarse from the laughter. Is that not one was made to do on this earth filled with colors, and sounds, and tastes and touches and sights? Why must you repress that which is made to be noticed? I don't get it. And never will. All those Protestant holy roller repressed types aren't gonna get me as a recruit. Guaranteed. Or those Muslims either. Any religion with too many restrictions aint gonna get many recruits in Borinquen. Though I noticed many Scottish types aren't into religion much either. And the Scots have a lot of music inside of them. So much. They just need a little tiny bit of encouragement (like a girl in pink....LOL) and they might be easy to convince!! ![]() Look at this couple. It says it all. He is atleast in his fifties and likes his food obviously. Does that stop him from bouncing around and having fun? No. http://www.justsalsa.com/movies/ then go to Eddie Torres & Maria. And it will open in real player. BTW, the singer for that song is a guy by the name of Oscar De Leon. A Venezuelan from Caracas who used to be a taxi driver and became a salsa singer extraordinaire. http://www.rhapsody.com/oscardleon you can sample some of his tunes there too. Puerto Rican men love those bodies. My husband still remembers when he was hanging out in the plaza near his humble home when a beautiful gray Rolls Royce pulled up and a famous showgirl in Puerto Rico stepped out of the car and smiled at him. He automatically waved. He must have been about 16 years old. He said he did not know his brain could stop functioning at such a sight. How predictable. My grandfather used to watch this woman's show on Sundays at 8pm like clockwork. I wonder why? I know why.....see? ![]() Another thing Scottish Economist, Puerto Rican men don't like stick thin women. They just don't. It is all about the rear end with them. And all that African and Spanish, French, and Indigenous mixture comes up with these women famous for their rear ends all over the world. I don't know why. It just is. Jennifer Lopez famous for what? Her rear end. 100% Puerto Rican woman DNA. I find it all kind of theatrical. No one takes all that show seriously. No one is offended by a lot of skin being shown. Fundamentalist Islam would be shocked to its very foundation!! People on the island just laugh--at all that repressiveness. Sure there are some conservative Protestants rolling around. But if you go to the church? All they do is dance and scream and sing and the salsa band goes crazy. The pastor is fiery and telling people to get rid of their sins---it is all so passionate and sensual!! Not repressed either. Lol. Not like the protestant churches I have seen in the states. With the exception of gospel churches in the Black community with their passionate singing. But they dress covered up. I don't know. Too much fondness for all that is sensual is very much part of the Puerto Rican character and it is unlikely to change for a LONG time. Lol. If at all. Maybe it's the weather too. ![]() I even remember an auto coolant commercial on TV when I was a kid, featuring the showgirl above. She stopped cuz her car was overheating and she bends over and pours the auto coolant in the vehicle and some Puerto Rican guy says, "Iris, what brand of---(and he forgets the brand and looks somewhere else)--" And she smiles and says---"Auto Coolant Amalie es el mejor. Te gusta mi coolant?" It is all a play on words. "Coolant" is similar to the word for rear end in Spanish. Well needless to say she sold A LOT OF AUTO coolant Amalie in Puerto Rico. Too many feminists only see the surface,it is the objectification of women. The truth is that would be true if women were not at a par with men in education, positions of power locally and etc. That is not the case. And ask the men and they have no problem with letting women be leaders back home. That is not the case in Mexico at all! Or many other nations. National Geographic wrote an article a while back. It said in summation, "Puerto Rican women are extremely feminine, and strong, and willful, and they rule. One might think this society is macho oriented. In truth the women run the show with an iron fist inside a velvet glove!!" Lol.
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