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Old 2nd June 2013, 14:05
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So how many native languages are allowed to be used in Scottish courts ?
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Old 2nd June 2013, 20:52
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When people talk of scotland , gaidhlig and our history , especially the invented myth of the highlander and lowlander as though they are two distinct nationalities , you know they have bought into the divide and rule politics of the establishment.

The only two languages spoken by the majority of people in scotland over the last thousand years has been gaidhlig , then modern english.
We have had fringe languages like norse , danish , anglo danish of northumbria which later became scots , latin and maybe the remnants of pictish and cumbric.

Gaidhlig has been on the decline since the 12th century , when david the first invited the normans into scotland . From 1124 to around 1400 , gaidhlig and norman french was the language of the nobility , before being replaced by inglis , whilst encouraging the set up of the burghs and inviting european merchants to live and trade there .

The persecution of gaidhlig and its slow decline north and west was instigated by the celto norman scottish nobility and their base of power in the south , in their attempts and success in eradicating the old celtic culture , the tanist system of electing kings ans spread of feudalism in mirror image of norman england at the expense of the semi communist practices of the gaels.

When scots inglis was at its height from 1400 to 1600as the language of the great , the majority of people still spoke gaidhlig.

The venetian ambassador andrew trevisano to the scottishcourt around 1600 recorded the language of the scots is the same as the irish , but many of them speak english as well as a result of intercourse on the border through war and trade.

The scottish elite burned reams of gaidhlig books and literature during the reformation , and the persecution continued when the scots nobility became british , see the statutes of iona ,and james the 6th promise to the anglo brit court in london that he would angliscise the scots , then the near 700 year persecution of gaidhlig by the celto norman now british nobility came to a head after culloden.

A long long story of betrayal and twists and turns that is very complicated but has robbed our country of our native language , so that today many scots believe the highland lowland myth despite the overwhelming evidence and the fact that gaidhlig was spoken all over most of what is now modern scotland , the last place in the south being the village of barr near girvan late 18th early 19th century.

The persecution of gaidhlig belongs mainly with the nobility , both the celto normans in scotland and the anglo normans in england , now the brit elite.

Both gael and non gael have been complicit as well.

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Old 2nd June 2013, 22:46
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That would be 'robbed of the native languages' would it not .

From what I have found , no one language has ever been the one and only within the bounds of modern geographical Scotland .
And has any , at any time, ever been the language of all ?
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Old 3rd June 2013, 07:21
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That would be 'robbed of the native languages' would it not .

From what I have found , no one language has ever been the one and only within the bounds of modern geographical Scotland .
And has any , at any time, ever been the language of all ?
Scotland , in the sense of its modern geographical area , just like england and most countries around the world , has never just had one language .

With the advent of the modern education system this has changed quite a bit with the teaching of modern english on all children throughout the uk.

What i said though was that GAIDHLIG then MODERN ENGLISH has been the language of the majority over the last thousand years , not any of the others.

Only point i was making , and how the normans began the persecution of gaidhlig which was finished off after culloden and with the modern education system.

The idea that "lowlanders" didnt speak gaidhlig is nonsense , as though they were some distinct teutonic nationality within the realm of scotland.

so yes i agree with you about native languages , but without gaidhlig there would be no scotland today.

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Old 3rd June 2013, 07:26
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what i would add max is that you could argue modern english isnt the language of all in scotland today and you would be right.

I doubt though you could walk the length and breadth of scotland today and not be understood perfectly well speaking modern english.

the same could be said of gaidhlig in 11th century scotland.
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Old 3rd June 2013, 07:32
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... but without gaidhlig there would be no scotland today.
Wow , how do you come to that conclusion ?
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Old 3rd June 2013, 07:36
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the same could be said of gaidhlig in 11th century scotland.
Apart from the areas where Gaelic had never been the common tongue in the 11th century that is , eh
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