Scots Dialect : Where is it spoken ?

[Babz]

Originally Posted by Croi Sasanach

Depends, a Scots army fought for the Parliamentarians too you know.

Yes I did know

[Hugh2]

[quote=Croi Sasanach;403733]How ye's aal ?

I would like as many opinions as i can on how far down you think the Scots dialect goes, does it go any further than the border?

[end of quote]



Consider the following passage:

Aa canna thole a bowdikite yin bittock. Sittin aal canny
un` bobbersum wi twa-three neebors by the lum iv i
winter`s neet, wi the clishmaclavor stotting iboot varry
canty un yor byuts faior kizznin i thi fender, nowt gars ye
girn an` flite heff as thi baiorn creepin roond thi
brattish an keekin at ye whin yor nigh dozzint.

Is it written in the Scots language or in Northumbrian? Can one tell?

Aa - a form of the pronoun `I`. From Old English (OE).
canna - `cannot`. Derives from the standard English word `can`.
thole - is OE `tholan` (to suffer).
a - standard English.
bowdikite - `kite` means `belly`. Possibly from Dutch.
yin - from OE meaning `one`.
bittock - possibly from Lallans meaning `a little bit`.
sittin - a contraction of `sitting`.
aal - from standard English.
canny - derived from Dutch (kant) meaning `neat, clever`.
bobbersum - possibly from Irish (bob) meaning `a trick`.
wi - a contraction of `with`.
twa - the common northern form of OE `twa`, standard English `two`.
three - standard English.
neebors - from standard English. The OE was `niehstan`.
by - standard English. The OE form was `be`.
the - standard English.
lum - meaning `chimney`. From Celtic or Old French.
iv - from standard English `of`.
i - presumably `a`.
winter`s - standard English.
neet - OE `niht`, with loss of `h`, but the preserving long `i`.
clishmaclavor - probably from Celtic meaning `idle talk, gossip`.
stotting - `stot` (to bounce) is likely from Dutch.
iboot - `about` From standard English.
varry - `very`. From French.
canty - `merrily`(?) Perhaps linked to `canny`.
un - `and`. From standard English.
yor - `your`, in the sense of `one`s`.
byuts - `boot` is from French.
faior - meaning `really`. Possibly from OE `faeger`.
kizznin - meaning `dried out`. From OE or Old Norse.
fender - standard English from French.
nowt - from OE `naht/nawuht` meaning `nothing`.
gars - from Old Norse meaning, in this context, `makes`.
ye - OE plural of `you`.
girn - `to grimace` in OE.
flite - from OE (to quarrel).
heff - `half`. From standard English.
as - standard English.
much - standard English.
baiorn - meaning `child` (also bairn). From OE and Old Norse.
creepin - `creeping`. From OE `creopan`.
roond - `round` From French.
brattish - `screen`. From French.
keekin - `peeping`. From Old Norse or Dutch.
at - standard English.
whin - `when`. From standard English.
yor - `you are`. From standard English.
nigh - a Middle English term for `nearly`.
dozzint - for `dozzened`, past participle of a verb deriving from Old Norse, and only recorded in northern English in the sense `dazed, stupid`.

[Croi Sasanach]

[quote=Hugh2;403884]

Originally Posted by Croi Sasanach

How ye's aal ?

I would like as many opinions as i can on how far down you think the Scots dialect goes, does it go any further than the border?

[end of quote]

Originally Posted by Croi Sasanach

Consider the following passage:

Aa canna thole a bowdikite yin bittock. Sittin aal canny
un` bobbersum wi twa-three neebors by the lum iv i
winter`s neet, wi the clishmaclavor stotting iboot varry
canty un yor byuts faior kizznin i thi fender, nowt gars ye
girn an` flite heff as thi baiorn creepin roond thi
brattish an keekin at ye whin yor nigh dozzint.

Is it written in the Scots language or in Northumbrian? Can one tell?

Aa - a form of the pronoun `I`. From Old English (OE).
canna - `cannot`. Derives from the standard English word `can`.
thole - is OE `tholan` (to suffer).
a - standard English.
bowdikite - `kite` means `belly`. Possibly from Dutch.
yin - from OE meaning `one`.
bittock - possibly from Lallans meaning `a little bit`.
sittin - a contraction of `sitting`.
aal - from standard English.
canny - derived from Dutch (kant) meaning `neat, clever`.
bobbersum - possibly from Irish (bob) meaning `a trick`.
wi - a contraction of `with`.
twa - the common northern form of OE `twa`, standard English `two`.
three - standard English.
neebors - from standard English. The OE was `niehstan`.
by - standard English. The OE form was `be`.
the - standard English.
lum - meaning `chimney`. From Celtic or Old French.
iv - from standard English `of`.
i - presumably `a`.
winter`s - standard English.
neet - OE `niht`, with loss of `h`, but the preserving long `i`.
clishmaclavor - probably from Celtic meaning `idle talk, gossip`.
stotting - `stot` (to bounce) is likely from Dutch.
iboot - `about` From standard English.
varry - `very`. From French.
canty - `merrily`(?) Perhaps linked to `canny`.
un - `and`. From standard English.
yor - `your`, in the sense of `one`s`.
byuts - `boot` is from French.
faior - meaning `really`. Possibly from OE `faeger`.
kizznin - meaning `dried out`. From OE or Old Norse.
fender - standard English from French.
nowt - from OE `naht/nawuht` meaning `nothing`.
gars - from Old Norse meaning, in this context, `makes`.
ye - OE plural of `you`.
girn - `to grimace` in OE.
flite - from OE (to quarrel).
heff - `half`. From standard English.
as - standard English.
much - standard English.
baiorn - meaning `child` (also bairn). From OE and Old Norse.
creepin - `creeping`. From OE `creopan`.
roond - `round` From French.
brattish - `screen`. From French.
keekin - `peeping`. From Old Norse or Dutch.
at - standard English.
whin - `when`. From standard English.
yor - `you are`. From standard English.
nigh - a Middle English term for `nearly`.
dozzint - for `dozzened`, past participle of a verb deriving from Old Norse, and only recorded in northern English in the sense `dazed, stupid`.

Wow. Alot of those are still used, i never knew 'Stott' was a dialect word though, dozzint means sleeping/sleepy and canny sort of means how you described it, but I'd say it is more rounded and inclusive, for example some one can be a "canny lad", and this deoesnt mean he is clever/neat and also something can be "canny big".

Keek is still used. Canna tends to be pronounced 'Cannet' nowadays. Kite is still a fat belly eg; 'beer kite'. Yin tends to be pronounced 'Yan' and is mostly used by older people. Gars mean goes now, although it is pronounced as Gans by most.

As much as that is unreadable, when it is broken down it makes quite a bit of sence.

[ScotSites]

I am not entirely sure as to what point Hugh2 (Raingeanach) is trying to make here... although I am guessing it has something to do with the topic not being about his beloved Gaelic that he knows so little about!

[Hugh2]

[quote=Croi Sasanach;403901]

Originally Posted by Hugh2

[i]

Wow. Alot of those are still used, i never knew 'Stott' was a dialect word though, dozzint means sleeping/sleepy and canny sort of means how you described it, but I'd say it is more rounded and inclusive, for example some one can be a "canny lad", and this deoesnt mean he is clever/neat and also something can be "canny big".

Keek is still used. Canna tends to be pronounced 'Cannet' nowadays. Kite is still a fat belly eg; 'beer kite'. Yin tends to be pronounced 'Yan' and is mostly used by older people. Gars mean goes now, although it is pronounced as Gans by most.

As much as that is unreadable, when it is broken down it makes quite a bit of sence.

Agreed, Croi Sasanach - You recognise it as Northumbrian.

Yet, the North British form of Northumbrian is the tongue which Scots are taught in the classroom to believe is The Scots Language.

Wow!

[ScotSites]

Originally Posted by Hugh2

Yet, the North British form of Northumbrian is the tongue which Scots are taught in the classroom to believe is The Scots Language.

You just can't help yourself can you troll?

Serious question for you Hugh2 (or Raingeanach if you prefer)... WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR PROBLEM? Personally I find your reference to the Scots as North British highly offensive. Yes Scotland happens to be in the northern part of Britain and technically all Scots are British, but to use North British instead of Scottish shows you are nothing more than an ignorant troll.

[Polwarth]

Tsk, Tsk, SS - I think you mean 'an ignorant, Gaelic leaning (but not speaking) troll.