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Old 27th July 2010, 17:38
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You just have to look at the current Wikileaks controversy and ask yourself if the US is an ally any country would want. They invented the "war on terror" and dragged their allies into it through misinformation and propaganda and now many of the people who supported them are endangered due to lax American security.
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Old 27th July 2010, 18:35
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NEWSNET SCOTLAND :

Pressure increases on London as Washington releases letter
Tuesday, 27 July 2010 07:15 | Print E-mail


The transatlantic row over the release of Al Megrahi took a new twist yesterday when the US bowed to pressure and published the letter sent to the Scottish government prior to the release.

The publication follows demands from the Scottish government and members of the Senate committee for disclosure of documents currently being denied publication by the US and UK administrations.

The letter confirms First Minister Alex Salmond’s claims that US officials, whilst not endorsing Megrahi’s release from prison, preferred compassionate release to the Prisoner Transfer Agreement negotiated by the UK Labour government. The US administration had previously refused to allow the letter to be published, this change of mind is sure to increase the pressure on Westminster to do the same.

The letter makes clear that, if released from prison, the US would have preferred that Megrahi remain in Scotland. It also detailed concerns that US officials had over the reception that Megrahi may receive on arrival in Tripoli.

However it is the revelation that the Americans were vehemently opposed to the Prisoner Transfer Agreement resulting from Tony Blair’s secret ‘deal in the desert’ that turns attention onto the role of the Westminster government and will lead to renewed demands that London release all documentation relating to Labour’s Libya negotiations and the role of BP.

The letter, sent on August 9th last year said:
"The US is not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail.

"Nevertheless if Scottish authorities come to the conclusion that Megrahi must be released from Scottish custody, the US position is that conditional release on compassionate grounds would be a far preferable alternative to prisoner transfer, which we strongly oppose."

The letter goes on:
“We appreciate the manner in which the Scottish government has handled this difficult situation. We recognize that the prisoner transfer decision is one that the Scottish government did not invite, but now must take. We hope that the Scottish government would consider every available alternative before considering the granting of Megrahi’s prisoner transfer application.”

The letter also thanked the Scottish government for it’s handling of the process and acknowledged Kenny MacAskill’s willingness to listen to the views of the US victims whilst the decision was being considered.

The publication of the letter comes one day after the US ambassador to the UK, Louis Susman, said that there is “no evidence” to support suggestions that the compassionate release of Al-Megrahi was as a result of lobbying by oil giant BP.

Mr Susman went on to say that he hoped a promise from PM David Cameron to review UK government files would go ahead and that the British PM would forward any new information to the US senate hearing to be held on Thursday.

Documentation released by the Scottish government also revealed that Kenny MacAskill rejected a plea by a Conservative politician, Lord Trefgarne, to consider business interests when making his decision.

Trefgarne, who represented the Libyan British Business Council (LBBC) – a group that included BP, asked Mr MacAskill to bring the Megrahi matter to a "swift and "satisfactory conclusion" and warned of the risks it could pose to ties between both countries.

Lord Trefgarne wrote:
"The Libyan authorities have made it clear that should he die in prison in Scotland there will serious implications for UK-Libyan relations. This prospect is of grave concern to LBBC members, not just Scottish ones.".

However Mr MacAskill responded saying:
"I have made it quite clear that my decision will be one based on judicial grounds alone and that economic and political considerations have no place in the process."

Other politicians who urged Kenny MacAskill to speed up the decision were Labour’s former Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy who described Mr MacAskill’s careful deliberation as "embarrassing".

The Senate hearing will take place this Thursday at 14:30 Eastern Standard Time.
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Old 27th July 2010, 18:35
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Spot on Andy but we did owe them for WWII.
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Old 27th July 2010, 23:57
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What a coincidence, the US Senate has just postponed their BP Megrahi hearings due to lack of witnesses, following the release of this letter.

One imagines the relevant witnesses are 'Deal in the Desert Tony' and Jack 'I'm irrelevant' Straw.
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Old 28th July 2010, 00:49
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So ungrateful of this senator Menendez, considering he happily accepted a campaign donation from BP. (Oh, all right, by now it seems that he has given it to the American Bird Conservancy).

But doesn't he just sound like a primary school teacher in a sulk?

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... Announcing the postponement - which he stressed was a not a cancellation - the senator said it was "outrageous" none of the key witnesses would co-operate.

"We don't intend for this to be forgotten or swept under the rug," he said...
I almost expected the next bit to involve "and none of you are leaving this classroom until I get the the answer!" or some mention of extra hard long division or fractions to do, or a punishment ink exercise.

No, indeedy, Menedez, we're ALL in favour of not sweeping anything about this under any rugs, so we're agreed on that. Bring it on.
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Old 28th July 2010, 08:57
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Posted elsewhere :


Gordon Brown was accused today of adopting double standards on Libya because of the government's arm's-length involvement in the release of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.

Labour was accused of "facing two ways" when the party condemned the release of the Lockerbie bomber months after rushing through a treaty with Tripoli on the transfer of prisoners. Critics said Labour wanted to protect oil interests in Libya, by establishing a framework for the transfer of prisoners, while reaching out to the US by condemning the decision of the SNP's justice secretary to free Megrahi.

The row broke out after Labour condemned the release as wrong and said the bomber would still be in jail if it were still in power in Scotland. Iain Gray, leader of the Scottish Labour party, said: "This whole sorry affair shows the SNP as unfit when it comes to the tough decisions of government."

Sir Menzies Campbell, a former Lib Dem leader, said: "Labour is clearly facing two ways on this issue: wanting to enhance relations with Libya but at the same time determined to criticise the SNP for an American audience."

Lord Owen, foreign secretary in the late 1970s when British intelligence learned that Libya was arming the IRA, said: "It is very hard to get at the truth and yet Lord Mandelson is seen with the Libyan president's son. It is very clear that the British government are in this up to their neck. I view all this noise as party politics in a rather crude way."He said he supported the SNP's decision. "I am a humanitarian. Wherever you can you come down in the final analysis to looking at the individual. Are they entitled to die at home or die in prison? If it is humanely possible you should allow them to die at home."

Libya applied for the transfer of Megrahi under the UK/Libya prisoner transfer agreement on 5 May. Jack Straw, the justice secretary, rushed through the ratification of the treaty warning that a delay would damage relations with Libya.


Why this article should make a reappearance suddenly, I don't know but it's highly relevant.
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Old 28th July 2010, 14:21
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Newsnet Scotland reports :

It also emerged that the US ambassador to the UK, Louis Susman, agreed that there was “no evidence” to support suggestions that the compassionate release of Al-Megrahi was as a result of lobbying by oil giant BP.

The furore has also witnessed hypocrisy and utter confusion from the SNP’s political opponents.

New UK PM David Cameron openly attacked the Scottish government at a White House press conference and defended BP. He was joined by Labour leadership favourite David Miliband who performed a dramatic ‘U’ turn and denounced the release; Miliband had previously stated he did not want Megrahi to die in a Scottish prison.

Today Labour’s Margaret Curran has bizarrely accused Kenny MacAskill of “grandstanding” on the Lockerbie issue. However, last week Labour MSP Richard Baker had attacked Mr MacAskill’s decision not to go to the US.

Mr Baker also endorsed the prisoner transfer deal hatched by Tony Blair and ratified by Jack Straw. The Labour MSP suggested that Mr Straw was right not attend the US hearing but that Kenny MacAskill was wrong not to attend.



Labour w*****s. At least the English Labour MPs have a dependable crooked rhythm; the 'Scottish' ones don't actually have enough rhythm to be decent w*****s.

No need for further comment as the article speaks clearly enough to what Labourtory are.
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