Is it me or is Israel completely out of order ?

[DistantCelt]

do you really beilieve, knowing the condemnation and international pressure that they would receive that the isaraeli govt. decided to target children, have you lost your mind?

They've categorically targetted civillians before and as i said, bombing a residential part of town is categorically targetting civillians, for which there is no justification.
The very foundation of Israel is shaky and i am not willing to ignore that due to western pro-jewish propaganda.
As i said, i too question Israel's right to exist in the current capacity.

[lordbarneth]

they are not targetting civillians, they are targetting hexxbollah weapons/members/infrastructure. as i said be fore what is to be gained by taregtting civilians. the only people targetting civillians are hezzbollah and hamas by launching missiles in to street's, houses and property in israel.

where is it you get all this mad propoganda?

[DistantCelt]

where is the shelters for these Lebanese? Hezbollah couldn't fund those? Of course not....it doesn't fit with their ideology nor their propaganda purposes nor their Jihadi go to heaven get 70 virgins ideaology.

Hezbollah doesnt get several billions dollar a year in charity from the US.

Having spent many years on the Afghan boards talking to the Afghans and Pakistanis it has become very clear that in order to bomb them you must bomb the towns and cities.

In that case, it should be clear that inorder to bomb zionists and imperialists, you must bomb western towns and cities. So therefore, by your standards, 9/11 was a legitimate target.

That is exactly why Israel sent them leaflets prior to the heavy bombing.

And that is supposed to show what ? That Israel cares for humanitarian situations ? No. showering leaflets a few hours before bombing a civillian target is nothing more than a rather paper-thin political gimmick. I would like to see how many civillians 'get out of the way' in modern towns with excellent transportation and road systems like New York or London, let alone Beirut.People moan about hundreds of hezbollah rockets launched into Israel but one should do a comparative study to see just how many Hezbollah rockets hit civillian targets and how many Israeli rockets hit civillian targets.

they were told waaay back in 2001 by their clerics that the terrorists were hiding among them and America warned them to stay back....did any of them listen....not the Taliban supporters nor Hamas supporters nor Hezbollah

Ironically, the west potrays similar bombings of churches and schools in a completely different light. i know for a fact that IDF agents,have run into Israeli schools before when under persuit and failing to contact/reach help from my sources in north american militaries ( retired or quit-so no fear of speaking privately about this).

.instead many of the men in the south joined Hezbollahs action

Which is not only expected, it is also logical and fair. If you, the occupying and invading army ( Israel), just bombs the hell outta my family, i too would go join the nearest resistance group who's exclusive object is to kick out this zionist army from my country's land. Perfectly fine in my books.

Yes children getting bombed is nasty...tell that to the Hezbollah who can bring water and aid to those in their midst but the murderous idiots can't move them out of harms way?......duh!

This line of thinking is as ludicrous as someone carrying a can of cyanide into your house and then blaming you for not having your kids out of the way.
The active party is the one who has the ultimate responsibility, which in this case is the cyanide carrier (and in relevance to this discussion,Israel).

As for that site, yet another piece of one-eyed zionist propaganda.
I was wondering just when would the author, in his glorious depiction of the
'supreme struggle of these poor and heroic jews' mention the terrorist activities of the Israelis and the fact that they invented the modern terrorism and terrorism as we know it today. Was wondering when he'd mention Hagannah, or Igrun or terrorists like Menachim Begin.

The story of Israel's independence, in short is like this : various bunch of terrorists from both the arab side and jewish side were fighting like dogs and cats because both wanted a religious state in the holy land.
Meanwhile, the bulk of people on both sides wanted the violence to stop and get along. Lucky for one side ( the isreali one), the socio-political angle in the world suddenly turned into their favour ( tremendous outpouring of holocaust guilt and careful manipulation of the media by the high placed jewish sources in those countries). So instead of whacking the two highschool bullies, one bully won the political angle.

You can pull countless crap from zionist sites and sources and the arabs can pull countless crap from the arab sides, each potraying the other as the agressor and just as valid in its scholarship ( or the lack of it). Whereas in reality, the picture is somewhere in between and the blame just as equal on both sides. I've read the arab media too and there are accurate scholarship there that the western medias wont report. And they wont report some accurate scholarship material from the west.
As i said, i dunno why the western media or the western populace on average is so convinced that their perspective on Israel-Palestine is either just or neutral - they are very much the involved party here to one side.

[gustard]

Originally Posted by lordbarneth

missile launchers should not be placed where under 16's are hanging around. it is a well documented fact that these terror groups use innocent children as human shields for their weapons. to deny this is absurd.

Actually most of the targets bombed it has been revealed have nothing to do with Hezbollah. They reckon only one percent of Hezbollahs capacity has been harmed.

[gustard]

Originally Posted by lordbarneth

do you really beilieve, knowing the condemnation and international pressure that they would receive that the isaraeli govt. decided to target children, have you lost your mind? the innocents were warned to leave as isaeli's would be targetting the terror groups bases and weapons. i saw them tear the leaflets up last night, zionist propoganda they called. more fool them for believing the terror leaders, who require their human shields.

whether they targeted them or not is irrelevant. That they continue with the same tactics now they know of the consequences speaks volumes.

[gustard]

Originally Posted by wild-in-tent

The leaflets dropped in the last couple of days were the second round of leaflets. I do agree though the road bombing was a bit much as it was overdone...however the Israelis were probably trying to stop the Hezzbolah from getting more munitions from Iran and Syria....at least that is how I understood it from what they said some days back though it is a huge headache for those fleeing...
as for Israel occupying Lebanon you have to go back further to the war itself which was the reason Israel occupied it. Here is a rundown of all that led up to modern problems......for those that debunk this site....let them put in just as comprehensive a site of their own.....

http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishh...y_66_-_War.asp

Ill take a look at that.

[lordbarneth]

Originally Posted by gustard

Actually most of the targets bombed it has been revealed have nothing to do with Hezbollah. They reckon only one percent of Hezbollahs capacity has been harmed.

if that is so then more death will come as the israeli's will target what it believes to be hezbollah targets.