English People

I call you scum because you advocate violence for recreational purposes and because you consider family-friendly improvements to football stadia and matches as having ruined the game. I call you scum because you think it is acceptable, nay laudable, for moronic football "supporters" to travel to other peoples' homelands and fight and cause mayhem while "representing" Britain. (And let's not forget that to most of the World England is Britain so when English scum follow the English team we Scots are still tainted.)

As far as my beloved Aberdeen goes, I do love the city but at no time have I expressed support for the football team, which is what I think you were trying to imply.

I think the members here can read for themselves and make up their own minds about who is what.

[Bound_For_Glory]

Right.....so anyone who suggests that seating and family-friendly environments has led to the game losing atmosphere is scum??? LOL

You also presume that I'm a Rangers fan as well, something which at no point I have said.

You obviously can't back up your little tantrum with facts. Aberdeen FC do have a history of violence, which is why they try to avoid frendlies with English teams. Forget the Old Firm, if its people who enjoy and organise "recreational violence" you so vehemently detest, then look to Pittodrie. You seem to have a serious problem with us weegies, a common problem up there. Get over it.

You're obviously one of these people who make up every excuse for genuine scum such as rapists, thiefs and burglars, but like to target decent enough people because you disagree with their views and completely normal enjoyment of recreational violence. If you can't empathise with the adreneline rush such situations bring then maybe you're suffering from a lack of testosterone.

I'll ask again. Where have I made sectarian remarks?

When you make a remark like "I still go to Ibrox" in the politics forum (Are the English Violent) and express support for the Rangers fanzine Follow Follow in the sports forum I think it is reasonable to deduce that you are a Rangers supporter, whether or not you explicitly say so.

Again, your remarks in the thread about Follow Follow and your anti-Moslem postings are pretty much by definition sectarian (i.e. supporting a religious sect and/or holding views against a religious sect).

I'd like to know where I have ever expressed any sort of anti-Weegie feelings (other than in light-hearted banter). You may have encountered hostility in Aberdeen, but I can assure you it was directed at you because you are you, not because you are a Weegie.

Thanks for your concern regarding my testostorone levels, but everything seems to be functioning nicely... maybe reducing my testostorone might help my hairline though!

[Bound_For_Glory]

You were accusing me of sectarianism against Catholics. Not muslims.

So drawing attention to muslims running about with machine guns, rioting and try to launch a Jihad on the streets of Britain is somehow reprehensibly sectarian? Open your eyes.

Your anti-weegie feeling is quite obvious when you describe the vandalism and conduct of Rangers fans, yet deny that your city's football team is known to have the largest, most violent following North of the Border. Aberdeen fans were also singing about the Ibrox disaster last time they played Rangers at Ibrox. Convient selection of facts, eh?

"You may have encountered hostility in Aberdeen, but I can assure you it was directed at you because you are you, not because you are a Weegie."

No, its directed at Rangers fans for being Rangers fans.

Originally posted by Bound_For_Glory
You were accusing me of sectarianism against Catholics. Not muslims.

Where, pray, do you see the words "anti-Catholic" in my posts?

Originally posted by Bound_For_Glory
Your anti-weegie feeling is quite obvious when you describe the vandalism and conduct of Rangers fans, yet deny that your city's football team is known to have the largest, most violent following North of the Border. Aberdeen fans were also singing about the Ibrox disaster last time they played Rangers at Ibrox. Convient selection of facts, eh?

"You may have encountered hostility in Aberdeen, but I can assure you it was directed at you because you are you, not because you are a Weegie."

No, its directed at Rangers fans for being Rangers fans.

All of which confirms that it is not anti-Weegie but anti-Rangers supporters(unless it is your contention that all Weegies are Rangers supporters). Any Glaswegian who visits Aberdeen without a Rangers scarf round his neck (or even one with a Rangers scarf when there is no football match on) is hardly likely to have the slightest bother. Weegies are not the problem, Huns are.

As you are such an expert on football violence, perhaps you can enlighten us as to when there was last a violent incident involving Aberdeen FC supporters which did not involve Glasgow Rangers? The Gers supporters are hated in Aberdeen for very good reason and it is in the nature of rival fans to wind each other up, so surely it comes as little surprise that Aberdeen supporters would sing songs to wind you up at Ibrox.

[Bound_For_Glory]

"Your posts betray you as the worst sort of sectarian bigot and your loyalties shine through loud and clear..... There is a certain sort of Rangers supporter who is nothing more than scum and your posts, glory boy, show your membership of that elite group. Just about everything you have posted over the past month or so disgusts me."

The context was regarding Papism and not Islam. That much is obvious.

The answer to your question is against Dundee United, a couple of months back. Around Aberdeen 140 hooligans travelled to Berlin earlier in the season. And I'm not talking about geezers with scarfs.

You seem to have some sort of vested hatred of Rangers fans. Why? It seems it is you who is the bigot.

Again, we see your hypocracy shining through - it's ok for Aberdeen fans to sing about the Ibrox disaster, but it's an absolute disgrace for Rangers fans to sing about the Boyne!!

Originally posted by Bound_For_Glory
"Your posts betray you as the worst sort of sectarian bigot and your loyalties shine through loud and clear..... There is a certain sort of Rangers supporter who is nothing more than scum and your posts, glory boy, show your membership of that elite group. Just about everything you have posted over the past month or so disgusts me."

The context was regarding Papism and not Islam. That much is obvious.

Obvious to you maybe. It's not obvious to me and I doubt if it would be obvious to anyone else... except maybe someone who shares your particular prejudices. I will repeat that sectarianism is bigotry which is religious in nature. It doesn't matter which religious sects are involved.

Originally posted by Bound_For_Glory
The answer to your question is against Dundee United, a couple of months back. Around Aberdeen 140 hooligans travelled to Berlin earlier in the season. And I'm not talking about geezers with scarfs.

I have searched pretty extensively through news sources on the internet this morning and the only news items I have found which mention violence and Aberdeen FC and not Glasgow Rangers were two stories in the Press & Journal. One said that violence had been "nipped in the bud" after a Hibs game and the other said that action had been taken to prevent any violence at a Motherwell game. Maybe you could point me to an account of either of the incidents you mention?

Originally posted by Bound_For_Glory
You seem to have some sort of vested hatred of Rangers fans. Why? It seems it is you who is the bigot.

Again, we see your hypocracy shining through - it's ok for Aberdeen fans to sing about the Ibrox disaster, but it's an absolute disgrace for Rangers fans to sing about the Boyne!!

First off, I have no problem with genuine football supporters who follow their team, including Rangers. My problem is with the morons who use football as an excuse for their tribal warfare, and such people seem to be particularly attracted to wearing Rangers colours. I have personal experience of Rangers mobs rampaging through Aberdeen and thinking anything and everyone within a few miles of Pittodrie was fair game.

Second, I didn't say it was acceptable to chant about the Ibrox disaster. It disgusts me, as a matter of fact, but I was merely noting that it is common practice to wind up the opposing supporters and I thought it would be something you would understand with your mindset.

Finally, I wish to apologise to Marhar for taking this discussion a very long way off the topic of this thread or this forum. I will be quiet now.