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Old 25th September 2005, 10:12
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It may have been our own king that did that to us, but some 300 years afterwards and begging for our freedom and what has the sassanach south done to make things right? You may not be our colonizers, but you sure as hell are our slave drivers. Master...

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Old 27th September 2005, 12:12
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It may have been our own king that did that to us, but some 300 years afterwards and begging for our freedom and what has the sassanach south done to make things right? You may not be our colonizers, but you sure as hell are our slave drivers. Master...
No one here is begging for freedom.

More importantly, I am freer in a British state than a Scottish one.

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we get people coming from all the Isles around Scotland and many speak Gaelic only and I have never seen Gaelic signs in any of the government or council offices all over Scotland
there is every Asian ,Cantonese,Indian,Russian even Welsh
and many other eastern and european countrys, But Islanders coming to mainland have to learn English or they are ignored and be as well peein in the wind because Government offices dont cater for you,I think thats wrong,its pretty bad that we have to make it compulsory to learn english.
when does Scotland get rights or is the 21st century continuance of the genocide by London.

I don't believe there is anyone in Scotland who speaks Gaelic alone.

Gaelic is now fairly widely used on signposts and so forth in the north and in the islands, including in council offices. I have witnessed this first hand.

And no, you're quite wrong - this is a matter for local authorities to address and has zero to do with any UK Government departments.
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It may have been our own king that did that to us, but some 300 years afterwards and begging for our freedom and what has the sassanach south done to make things right? You may not be our colonizers, but you sure as hell are our slave drivers. Master...

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And I would beg you to explain how you are a slave and what freedoms I have that you do not. Name ONE single thing. Bare in mind I am a north western englishman and neither a supporter of the monarchy nor rich by birth or by merit.

Explain how a scotsman is a slave in comparison to an actual slave of which there are approx 26 million in the world today, and why you calling yourself a slave does not do them a further disrespect. (And I'll be honest, when I think of a slave, it is someone who works for no money and who is considered "owned". Whos life is to serve another. Is your life dominated by england? Do you get paid? Do I have any advantages whatsoever over a person born in Edinburgh?)

Or alternatively, do yourself a favour and realise just how lucky you are to have been born in one of the richest, most free democracies in the whole world and stop acting like a drama queen.
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Old 19th October 2005, 05:18
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First off, I never said we were slaves, I merely said that you were slave drivers. It's a phrase meaning you DO get more rights than a Scot.
We CANT choose what happens to our country, England and the English people have that right.
Second off, you don't have more rights than someone born in Edinburgh because Edinburgh has been Anglicised. When I talk about Scotland, i'm talking about Alba - the Highlands - the REAL Scotland. You DO have more rights than a highlander.
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Old 19th October 2005, 08:48
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First off, I never said we were slaves, I merely said that you were slave drivers. It's a phrase meaning you DO get more rights than a Scot.
We CANT choose what happens to our country, England and the English people have that right.
I notice you not-very-cunningly sidestep the question by talking crap.

An English person has no more political rights than a Scottish person does.

You don't have slave-drivers without slaves, and along with their partners in Union the English were amongst the first nations to abolish slavery and to police the ban on the slave trade.

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Second off, you don't have more rights than someone born in Edinburgh because Edinburgh has been Anglicised. When I talk about Scotland, i'm talking about Alba - the Highlands - the REAL Scotland. You DO have more rights than a highlander.
So by your definition there's probably about 500,000 or less "real" Scottish people. Fair enough, I'm happy to accept that but don't try and pretend the Anglo-Scottish culture of the south does not and will not enter into the northern population.
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Old 19th October 2005, 09:28
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First off, I never said we were slaves, I merely said that you were slave drivers. It's a phrase meaning you DO get more rights than a Scot.
We CANT choose what happens to our country, England and the English people have that right.
Second off, you don't have more rights than someone born in Edinburgh because Edinburgh has been Anglicised. When I talk about Scotland, i'm talking about Alba - the Highlands - the REAL Scotland. You DO have more rights than a highlander.
And I am asking you to provide some examples. ONE example. How does a scotsman (with his own parliament, might I add, a luxury *I* simply don't have, since your MPS can vote on my issues but mine cannot on yours.) have less rights than myself? You cannot make a statement like that one without providing some examples.

I am sure, also, that the people not from the areas you listed will be delighted in knowing they are not "real" scots, btw.
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Old 19th October 2005, 13:00
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, a luxury *I* simply don't have, since your MPS can vote on my issues but mine cannot on yours.
Well actually you're mistaken. Section 28(7) of the Scotland Act 1998 makes clear that

"This section [giving the Scottish Parliament legislative powers]does not affect the power of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to make laws for Scotland."

As such, any MP (including yours) has the right to introduce any Bill before Parliament that affects Scotland without any further action. If you believe that Parliament was sovereign before the Scotland Act, then it still is.

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I am sure, also, that the people not from the areas you listed will be delighted in knowing they are not "real" scots, btw.
Yes, quite. A ginger haired, green eyed Celt that speaks Gaelic, drinks whisky and attends ceilidhs every evening is the only person who is Scottish enough for him.
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