Anybody out there?

[jacobitedreamer]

Hi there,



Is there anybody who is a fond admirer of Bonnie Viscount Dundee and all the heroes of the glorious and tragic Jacobite past of Scotland? Ho for the Grahams, the Camerons and all the brave clans - where are their sons and daughters?

Is there anybody out there in the net who would like to set up an E-mail-friendship with a 24-year-old lass from Berlin/Germany?

Okay, I'm mad about everything Jacobite, so were, as it seems, my ancestors who had to leave Scotland via Scandinavia and Poland after having annoyed the redcoats :=)

Well, anything more about me? I'm a student of medicine and single mother of a wee daughter (18 months). Apart from everything Scottish I like Spanish and French poetry and I guess that - apart from sports - there is nothing I could not find interest in.

Please don't leave me alone...

Franziska

Franziska.Feist@web.de

[Babz]

Welcome Jacobitedreamer to s.com !!

I hope that soon someone will reply to you soon, it may take a little
while for a reply as we do tend to be here at different times and
not everyone looks in Guests daily.

Have you ever been to Scotland??

[jacobitedreamer]

Thank you very much for your reply.

Indeed, I have never seen Scotland in all my life, just in my dreams. I either lacked the money or the time for travelling, but some day I know I'll have the chance. I'm looking forward to meeting some Scottish friends this Saturday here in Berlin at our Burns' Supper (the only chance for a good haggis over here :=))

That would be Bluidy Clavers you are admiring so fondly! John Graham of Claverhouse (1648-1689), first Viscount Dundee. He was a dashing, handsome cavalier but he was also a very enthusiastic suppressor of the Covenanters during the Killing Times and earned the nickname Bluidy Clavers (Bloody Claverhouse) for the amount of Scottish Covenanter blood he spilled.

Not a very admirable character when you look beyond the facade and see the whole person.

[jacobitedreamer]

Hoots,

I did not really think to offend you... If I did, I'm sorry. But I DO know his deeds and I DO know of Brown of Priesthill if that's for instance one of the things you are referring to. And yet I think there is always more than one side in a person's character, that's what makes it so interesting. Trying to track down in history the why and wherefor of things, the personal and psychological aspects, that's understanding to me, although I have to admit that I easily do take up word in defending the Jacobites...

Maybe to my excuse you should know that from my father's line EVERY man did serve as officer in various European armies (Scotland, Sweden, Poland, Prussia, France, GDR)and I was educated in a rather militaristic way (any damage left? :=))

So once more, please don't feel offended, just say I'm mad and I'm happy that I'm not the only mad person in this world...

I'm not in the least offended. I just wanted to be sure you and others were aware there was more to "Bonnie Dundee" than a pretty face.

And there's more to the Jacobites than a romantic lost cause. They were the ruination of Scotland and led directly to the near-anihilation of Gaelic culture as the Hanoverians extracted their harsh revenge on those they perceived as sympathetic to the Stewart cause. Those who stayed in Scotland suffered the brunt of this punishment far more than those who went into exile.

[Polwarth]

Hello JacobiteDreamer and welcome.

I'm with Neil on the subject of Jacobites. I think you'll find that a lot of Scots who are still in the home country feel like us! Jacobites caused many of the ills in our country. We do not forget.

You are, of course, entitled to your views. But, it might be best to ca' canny until you gauge the opinions of some of the Scots here.