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Old 15th January 2011, 12:08
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Yup, it is convoluting a bit ! What was the point of the strap and garter tangent-posting again ?
That it does not derive from some mythical practice of Scottish noblemen giving their clansmen metal plates of their heraldic crests on buckled leather straps to wear as insignia identifying them as their clansmen - as has been suggested by writers such as the one quoted by Duthill earlier:

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"But it was especially in Scotland that the use of the crest in this role became widespread, especially in the mediæval usage where a lord’s retainers would wear a metal plate on the chest bearing that lord’s crest, suspended from the shoulders by a leather strap and metal buckle.
From this developed the characteristic bonnet badge, stamped or die-cast in metal, which displays the crest surrounded by a symbolic “leather” strap and buckle, invariably bearing the chief’s motto (or if there is more than one motto, usually the slogan) inscribed on the strap."

Scottish clans and crests , Mike Oettle
Clearly, the Victorian-era invention of the Scottish clan crest badge with its garter style strap and buckle surround is a direct borrowing from the British military cap-badges such as the ones that you yourself provided links to, and has nothing whatsover to do with some imaginary medieval origin.
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Old 15th January 2011, 12:15
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Can't say I'm that bothered - really.

I don't care if they were blown out Robert The Bruce's ringpiece, AC. This thread I started is about the Royal Regiment of Scotland and its uniform, not about belts and buckles on clan badges.
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That it does not derive from some mythical practice of Scottish noblemen giving their clansmen metal plates of their heraldic crests on buckled leather straps to wear as insignia identifying them as their clansmen - as has been suggested by writers such as the one quoted by Duthill earlier:
Clearly, the Victorian-era invention of the Scottish clan crest badge with its garter style strap and buckle surround is a direct borrowing from the British military cap-badges such as the ones that you yourself provided links to, and has nothing whatsover to do with some imaginary medieval origin.
Clearly ? said who .
Do you have verified corroborating evidence that you can give links to, to prove your case ?
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