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Old 17th January 2011, 10:07
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Well, I live in an Arab country and from what I understand Arabs are a group of racially related peoples of a semitic racial stock which ironically they historically share with Jews.

Arabic is also spoken in parts of Africa which are not arab countries - Mauretania, Chad, Sudan, Zanzibar etc. Arabic is the language of the Qur'an, so it is used by learned scholars from Pakistan to Malaysia and wherever the Qur'an is used.

Omanis here include Baluchis and Zanzibarians. They are Omanis, Arabic speakers, but are not Arabs.
The ganjaweed of the Sudan or whatever they're called are considered to be Arabs yet they're black africans. Lighter skinned than those they're killing, but still black.
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Old 17th January 2011, 10:15
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Cadbren, don't know where you've sprung from but am very impressed with your posts so far. A breath of fresh air on here! wullie.
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Old 17th January 2011, 12:39
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The ganjaweed of the Sudan or whatever they're called are considered to be Arabs yet they're black africans. Lighter skinned than those they're killing, but still black.
"Arab" has been a tran-skin tone definition since the days of the Prophet Muhammed (pbh) and probably long before then. It really depends on how you define an Arab. The Janjaweed are often cited as "Arabs" in the condemnation of violations of human rights in the Sudan, although from another perspective, they might not be. certainly Gamal Abdel Nasser viewed himself as an Egyptian Arab and not a Copt, and language played a fundamental tole in this assesment which is still shared by the majority of Arabophones in Africa and elsewhere.
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Old 17th January 2011, 12:42
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Cadbren, don't know where you've sprung from but am very impressed with your posts so far. A breath of fresh air on here! wullie.
Wullie, I know dark skinned Scots and one darker skinned Scot (the late and much missed Allie Abassi) was a Gaelic speaking Scot of Asian parentage. The breath of fresh air seems a bit amiss to my logic. e need to see ethnicity and skin tone as separte aspects of being an individual surely?
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Old 17th January 2011, 12:45
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Arabic is not the native language of Egypt , Egyptian is , more specficly Coptic .
Egypt was Arabised by the time of the Crusades, and Egyptians see themselves predominantly as Arabs, although there have been tensions of course and counter movements. But the mass of the working class that drive political change have emphasised their Arabness since the days of british imperialism and breakdowen of the Ottoman Empire, and even before then, there was a sense of Arab solidarity forged most likelily by Ottoman Turkish being the language of the elite (such as the Albanian born Muhammad or mehmet Pasha)
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Old 17th January 2011, 12:48
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lets pose this question, how Coptically based is modern Egyptian society and how Arabically based?
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Old 17th January 2011, 12:52
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Egypt was Arabised by the time of the Crusades, and Egyptians see themselves predominantly as Arabs, although there have been tensions of course and counter movements. But the mass of the working class that drive political change have emphasised their Arabness since the days of british imperialism and breakdowen of the Ottoman Empire, and even before then, there was a sense of Arab solidarity forged most likelily by Ottoman Turkish being the language of the elite (such as the Albanian born Muhammad or mehmet Pasha)
I haven't researched this yet but I thought that before WW1, Arabic was the language of the Ottoman Empire. Certainly writing was Arabic script. I thought it was Mustafa Kemal (Kemal Attaturk) and the Young Turks who regularised Turkish language (and European type script) within the new Turkish state after the fall of the empire.
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