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Old 16th January 2011, 11:55
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And yet not even 10% of them were English . Sort of blows a bluddy great hole in the langage is culture argument eh
How do you define an Arab?
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Old 16th January 2011, 12:03
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يمكنني تحديد عربي باعتباره اللغة العربية

yumkinuni taHdeed 3arabee b'i3tibaar-u allughat al3arabiyya

I define an Arab as an Arabic speaker.
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Old 16th January 2011, 12:54
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Surely does !
Hey Lachie ,
I was at a Taa Moko Wanaka in my home town of Otautahi about 10 years ago . Was the skin stretcher for my mate Tommy while he inscribed a pūhoro on a client.
There was an American linguist there , who was annoying Tom for info on te Reo Maori and the other Pacific tongues ( she was a visiting lecturer at a university in Hawaiii , did not speak Olelo Hawaiʻi , was of Italian extraction , and did not speak that reo either).
She had the idea that language was the be all and end all in defining and developing culture , ethnicity , ancestry , history , migration , tiddlywinks , the lot.

After listening to her niggling me mate while he was doing this highly spiritual work , ( an extremely culturally insensitive bugga was this one ) , I figured it was time she moved on .
Said to to her ,
"You are a North American , of Italian descent , Tommy is a Kiwi of Maori descent , I am a Kiwi of Irish , Scots , and Norse descent , we are on the island of Te WahiPounamu in Polynesia , and our common tongue is English .
And none of us has ever been to England !
But by your reasoning we are all English .
The language we speak at any given period in our history is incidental , not instrumental to our cultures . It does not define us .
We , Tom and myself , know exponents of aspects of this culture , carvers/tattooists , weavers , martial artists , herbalists , navigators etc , who have only a smattering of the reo , yet are still at the top of their profession and respected for it world wide. "

Still waiting for her reply .

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Old 16th January 2011, 12:59
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But by your reasoning we are all English

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Thats kind of the point I was making yes. (We can choose not to be of course!)
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Old 16th January 2011, 13:09
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But by your reasoning we are all English



Thats kind of the point I was making yes. (We can choose not to be of course!)





Who is this clown who posts c&ps out of context ?
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Old 16th January 2011, 13:14
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Who is this clown who posts c&ps out of context ?

lol
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Old 16th January 2011, 14:55
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Language is a representation of our cognitive construct... the way we perceive things. So, the language you do speak do speak does effect the way you perceive things. Culture and language are strongly tied. You lose the language of the culture, and you inherently lose parts of that culture. Many cultural perspectives are lost through translation.

I do understand other people's arguments... you're not English because you speak English but as far as your ancient culture, if you lose that language you lose part of your own culture... because speaking English doesn't make you English... just makes you a person missing a lot of your own culture.

Anyways, off on a holiday. I'll see you people when I get back.

Cheers!
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