Skudras wha hae..

[chimera]

Some have compared the towers of Rosslyn with Persian/Hindu architecture. The possible Scythian/ "Skudra" link with "Scots" may be seen as follows.
(German exhibition on Scythia) -
"This exhibition will reveal many facts about the real identity of this historic tribe», said Kargar adding that «Most of the historical relics unearthed during the archaeological excavations have been found from the settlement areas of this tribe such as Caspian Sea shores and date back to the Achaemenid dynastic era (550 BC 330 BCE).»
Both nomadic and sedentary Iranians referred to themselves as Aryans; however later the word became a self-imposed designation for the settled Iranians who began to refer to their nomadic cousins in the East as the Saka and some of those further west as Skudra."(end quote).
(Quote from commentary on Herodotus) -
"The Persians pursued the Skythians through the land of the Melanchlainoi, probably the area to the south of Moscow; when the Persians dared to pursue them even there, they moved towards the Baltic Sea, into the land of the Androphagoi. The pursuit continued further across Poland into the land of the Neuroi. The scope of the military engagements was so great that the Melanchlainoi, the Androphagoi, and the Neuroi were forced to abandon their homelands, fleeing into the lands of the extreme north (IV 128). This means that the Persians may have advanced through the area of the Valdai Hills, approached the Baltic Sea, and returned south through Poland."(end quote).
The cruciform planned shape of Rosslyn with central tower is of Celtic and Persian type, and seen at the Brahmin temple of Angkor Wat in Cambodia.
Was this the tradition a part of Skadi inheritance, as not many Scots went to Cambodia in 15th cent?
chimera

[Polwarth]

Originally Posted by chimera

Some have compared the towers of Rosslyn with Persian/Hindu architecture. The possible Scythian/ "Skudra" link with "Scots" may be seen as follows.
(German exhibition on Scythia) -
"This exhibition will reveal many facts about the real identity of this historic tribe», said Kargar adding that «Most of the historical relics unearthed during the archaeological excavations have been found from the settlement areas of this tribe such as Caspian Sea shores and date back to the Achaemenid dynastic era (550 BC 330 BCE).»
Both nomadic and sedentary Iranians referred to themselves as Aryans; however later the word became a self-imposed designation for the settled Iranians who began to refer to their nomadic cousins in the East as the Saka and some of those further west as Skudra."(end quote).
(Quote from commentary on Herodotus) -
"The Persians pursued the Skythians through the land of the Melanchlainoi, probably the area to the south of Moscow; when the Persians dared to pursue them even there, they moved towards the Baltic Sea, into the land of the Androphagoi. The pursuit continued further across Poland into the land of the Neuroi. The scope of the military engagements was so great that the Melanchlainoi, the Androphagoi, and the Neuroi were forced to abandon their homelands, fleeing into the lands of the extreme north (IV 128). This means that the Persians may have advanced through the area of the Valdai Hills, approached the Baltic Sea, and returned south through Poland."(end quote).
The cruciform planned shape of Rosslyn with central tower is of Celtic and Persian type, and seen at the Brahmin temple of Angkor Wat in Cambodia.
Was this the tradition a part of Skadi inheritance, as not many Scots went to Cambodia in 15th cent?
chimera

Eh, Pardon?

[chimera]

Did Skudra Scythians produce the terms "Scandinavia" and "Scot"? Is their architecture a precedent for Rosslyn?

[aNonnyMoose]

No idea. How about some documentary evidence for the claim (not idle speculation by Herodotus, not the most recent of commentators...).

[Lianachan]

Originally Posted by chimera

Did Skudra Scythians produce the terms "Scandinavia" and "Scot"? Is their architecture a precedent for Rosslyn?

No, and no. A vague presumed visual similarity is not evidence. Where is the archaeological evidence? Where is the genetic evidence? Where is the linguistic evidence? Where, in fact, is any evidence whatsoever?

[McDink]

Originally Posted by chimera

Did Skudra Scythians produce the terms "Scandinavia" and "Scot"? Is their architecture a precedent for Rosslyn?

I WILL be honest and say I don't really have much knowledge in all things Scandinavian and i'm not even going to go down the architecture route, but not wanting to appear as arrogant as others before me by giving a definitive yes or no answer , i'd say the etymology connecting the terms 'Scandinavia' and 'Scotland' with the Scythians, may be possible, although there are other theorys out there which seem a lot more plausible.

One theory suggests that 'Scadin' can be segmented in different ways, such as scand- or scad-in-, scan- or sca-din, scandin or scadin- and thus result in different meanings such as, "climbing island" (*scand-), "island of the Scythian people", "island of the woodland of *sca-".

As for Scotland, there are certainly a lot more theories around, which do rational that the people are ultimately descendants from Scythia. To quote the second chapter from the 'Decleration of Arbroath':

Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner. The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles — by calling, though second or third in rank — the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter's brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever.

Like I said, it may be possible, but remember, they are just theories and are therefore not conclusive. Nor am I.

[chimera]

Archaeology sites on Biskupin fortified village in Poland give serious reference to Scythian raids there. A map in Wikipedia :"Thraco Cimmerians" shows the sites of Cimmerian horse-harness artefacts in Poland and along the Rhine. Cimmerians were closely connected with Scythians of Ukraine.(My old pc doesn't do posts of map mages).
(quote)
"Archaeologically, "Thraco-Cimmerian" artefacts are metal (usually bronze) items, particularly parts of horse tacks, found in a late Urnfield context, but without local Urnfield predecessors for their type. They appear rather to spread from the Koban culture of the Caucasus and northern Georgia, which together with the Srubna culture, blends into the 9th to 7th centuries pre-Scythian Cernogorovka and Novocerkassk cultures, and by the 7th century, "Thraco-Cimmerian" objects are spread further west over most of Eastern and Central Europe, locations of finds reaching to Denmark and eastern Prussia in the north and to Lake Zürich in the west. Together with these bronze artefacts, earliest Iron items appear, ushering in the European Iron Age, corresponding to the Proto-Celtic expansion from the Hallstatt culture.
The arefacts labelled "Thraco-Cimmerian" all belong to a category of upper class, luxury objects, like weapons, horse tacks and jewelry, and they are recovered only from a small percentage of graves of the period. From this it is assumed that the "Thraco-Cimmerian" migration did not consist of large populations, but rather of relatively small groups who installed themselves as ruling class over the indigenous Urnfield/Hallstatt population."(end quote).
This is corroborated by genetic traces, to which are given a surprising conclusion that Cimbri travelled from Denmark to the Black Sea and back again. Is it possible that Maeshowe and Newgrange were early centres of culture which influenced eastern peoples? The long discussion on genes is at :
www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf
chimera