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Old 28th January 2011, 21:26
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Mr Woolf believes that the Picts did not disappear but gradually adopted Gaelic words and by the 12th century were speaking a version of Pictish - which was like Welsh but without the Latin influences - "with a massive interference from Gaelic".
Biased any?

Aren't Aed and Domhnall both Gaelic names? That would make three of Alpin's successors have Gaelic names suggesting, as attested to above, that the Scots and Picts had already blended somewhat. Perhaps Kenneth MacAlpine was the first to recognise himself as a Scot, or the first with Scottish ancestry to have the power to proclaim that side.
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Thanks for the links, Lianachan. It seems that at least as of now (if not into the foreseeable future) we can not know with absolute certainty that the Picts were not at some point a matrilineal society. Nor can we know with absolute certainty the precise point at which the Picts and Scots became universally united under a single ruler. And I would therefore mistrust anyone who claims he knows for sure. I believe the Iroquois (or at least some of the Iroquois nations in their confederation) had Male chiefs but were none-the-less matrilineal. The women chose which of the males would be their chief. Could the Picts have (at some time) had a similar system? We will likely never know. The Picts and Scots likely merged, likely gradually, sometime AROUND the time of Cinaed. Perhaps the legend of MacAlpin bringing them together through his descent from a king of the Scots and a Queen of the Picts is more symbolic than factual. But as a symbol, it has a certain beauty that is not GROSSLY inconsistent with reality (whatever that might turn out to be). In my opinion.
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Old 27th July 2011, 21:28
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Ok so I'm looking at the wiki for both.

From the Caledonians wiki
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Physical Appearance

Tacitus in his Agricola, chapter XI (c. 98 AD) described the Caledonians as red haired and large limbed, which he considered were features of a Germanic origin: “The reddish (rutilae) hair and large limbs of the Caledonians pro-claim a German origin”. Jordanes in his Getica also wrote something similar:
...The inhabitants of Caledonia have reddish hair and large loose-jointed bodies.[4]
Eumenius, the panegyrist of Constantine Chlorus, wrote that both the Picts and Caledonians were red haired (rutilantia).[5] Scholars such as William Forbes Skene noted that this description matches with Tacitus' description of the Caledonians as red haired in his Agricola.[6]
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The name the Picts called themselves is unknown.[4] The Latin word Picti first occurs in a panegyric written by Eumenius in AD 297 and is taken to mean "painted or tattooed people" (Latin pingere "to paint";[5] pictus, "painted", cf. Greek "πυκτίς" - puktis, "picture").[6] As Sally M. Foster noted, "Much ink has been spilt over what the ancient writers meant by Picts, but it seems to be a generic term for people living north of the Forth-Clyde isthmus who raided the Roman Empire."

The Picts are often said to have practised matrilineal succession on the basis of Irish legends and a statement in Bede's history. In fact, Bede merely says that the Picts used matrilineal succession in exceptional cases.

The Pictish language has not survived. Evidence is limited to place names, the names of people found on monuments, and the contemporary records. The evidence of place-names and personal names argues strongly that the Picts spoke Insular Celtic languages related to the more southerly Brythonic languages.[66] A number of ogham inscriptions have been argued to be unidentifiable as Celtic, and on this basis, it has been suggested that non-Celtic languages were also in use.[67
If I said I were looking for one ethnic tribe.

1 Red Haired/Blue Eyed
2 Tatooed
3 Spoke a non celtic Language
4 Wore Trousers (Bracae?)
5 Tartan/Plaid Cloth
6 Were skilled metal workers (Jewelry)
7 Good with a horse and a bow
8 Had a Matriarchal or Semi Matriarchal society
9 Had tribal land or brand markers

Could I find a Tribe in Scotland? Maybe the Picts? That fit what I'm looking for?
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''Latmus (near Miletus) was beside the city of Caunus
(in Caria), symbolized by the mythical Kaunos, son of Miletus.
Picus , a demigod, son of Cronos, living on the Aventine hill.
Kind of divinity that might be likened to the SATYRS or PANS.
He is said to have used powerful drugs and practised
clever incantations and to have traversed Italy playing the
same tricks as the Idaean DACTYLS. Circe loved him, and
being refused, transformed him into a bird (a woodpecker).
Picus is father (by Canens) of Faunus."

FYI, this Picus may connect to the British Picts?

Caunus, Pictish King of Aicluith, had a son Gildas.

- Saint Patrick was born at Nemthur, near Aicluith.
- Gildas Albanius, or the British Gildas, was born at Aicluith.
- Merlin Caledonius, or "Merlin the Wild," was a native of Aicluith.

Aicluith was ruled by a line of pagan kings.
King Caunus, the father of Gildas, had pagan ancestors.

Columba was the son of a pagan founded royal family.

I notice a theme, in terms of all those
royal princes from a pagan family background,
who are all of a sudden christian monks, being
portrayed as if good deeds and christianity go hand
in hand. This was taken from the character of 'jesus'
and educated to these royal princes, while children
in the pagan palace, full of the vices of the pagan kings..

King Ethelbert

"Your speech and promises," said Ethelbert, "are fair;
but as they are novel and untried, I cannot yield my assent,
and give up the principles so long embraced by my ancestors. ''

So above, this Ethelbert clearly did not want to comply, with the 'elite'

He is recorded here for us, criminalizing the entire royal family.

Just because a branch went along with the agenda, and
converted to christianity openly, what about the history of
their criminal pagan wars? and slave punishments using pagan law?

What about the land - UK ? This was claimed under pagan authority.
Once established here with all our land, they changed their divine
authority and got away with it.

King Ethelbert above, talks about his 'pagan principles'.

Remember these principles caused mass murder, child sacrifice
, demons and superstition. Royalty were the first educated, the
first to educate us, with this superstitious nonsense. Then christianity
was used to reverse this effect and remain in power.

Even today, remnants of this royal superstition linger.

Following alias Jesus and his exposure of pagan
evils, the royal branches around the world were
worried. I can conclude that royal princes are
educated according to any threat to the elite,
at the time. So Gilda's put on a brave face indeed,
having all that pressure to persuade us.
A very cunning education for him, im sure.
So they dressed him in his new outfit,
and sent him to face the pagan subjects.
I have no doubt this is what happened.

Slowly over the centuries, the pagan elements have
been phased out, to leave us with what we have today.

from the ealry monks and bishops:

'...why do you not ask our Lord Jesus Christ,
who is powerful to bestow all things which are asked
of him in faith, that he extend the boundaries of this
island, and make its soil fruitful?

This clearly 'sustains' the pagan element of soil
fertility. ( Ancient Egypt Osiris, now applied to Jesus )
So as expected , in the ealry christain days
the superstition of Egypt encapsulated christianity,
and was even a pre-requisite.
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