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Old 16th June 2006, 15:28
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The British are class conscious. So are many societies. The Indian caste system is very oppressive. And being Indian in Mexico is not easy either. And being the lowest on the socioeconomic totem pole is always a difficult experience for many. In many societies around the world. In the USA, being Puerto Rican isnt easy either. People are just plain ignorant about so many other peoples in the world. They live with stereotypes and media images instead of facts and research. I bet most people did not know that in Puerto Rico over 20% of the youth have atleast 16 years of formal education and that over half of the youth attend private schools. But people don't know. They ASSUME based on images. There are a substantial amount of people in Puerto Rico who are highly educated but have low incomes. That surprises a lot of the stereotype thinkers.

Any conservative society (like the Brits) are hard to change. They need change and progressive thought more than other societies. For conservatism and being discriminatory and class conscious is DESTRUCTIVE....and leads to violence in many ways.
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Old 30th September 2006, 22:01
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Hello. What famous street gangs came from Edinburgh and Glasgow from the 1800's to the early 1900's?
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As early as the 1700s there used to be a weekly Saturday night stonefight across the river Clyde. There used to be a small island in the middle of the Clyde, just where Calton Place runs next to the river. Gangs of boys and men used to gather at the foot of Stockwell Street, and a similar sized gang on the Gorbals side. Stealth was used to reach the island, and fighting at close quarters was common on it's banks. It was only when a boy was killed that the fights began to die away.

In the late 1700s, the students of the College in the High Street used to wage stonethrowing battles with the uneducated youth of the city. After the founding of Wilson's Charity School in 1778, the pupils there used to regularly battle with the students of the Grammar School. In those days there was no police force to counteract these disturbances.

There had been gangs in Ireland since the early 1700s, many of them fighting gangs in the Glasgow tradition, such as the Shanavists, the Caravats, and the Ruskavallas. It is probable that a lot of the rise in gang activity in Glasgow can be traced to the 1840s and 1850s when shiploads of Irish immigrants, fleeing the potato famine, landed in the west of Scotland. The catholic and protestant divide arrived in Glasgow, a facet of Glasgow life which persists to this day.

The first gangs which come to the newspapers attentions were the Penny Mob gangs of the 1870s. These gangs would ask subscription from their members to pay the fines of anyone jailed by the police, a penny a head, thus Penny Mob gangs. In 1883, one of these gangs, called the *Ribbon Men, blew up a gasometer in Tradeston.

As the century drew to a close, the courts began to stop offering fines as an alternative to jail, and the penny mob gangs died away. The small gangs began to group together for mutual protection, and thus the rise of the large area gang. These gangs were huge, and commanded the whole of a district - they were made up of many smaller gangs who fought under a common leader aff.
*THE Ribbon Men were also known as 'The Ribbon Society' (An Irish Republican Brotherhood). These attacks were possibly the first showings of Ribbonism in Scotland. They also attempted to bomb Buchanan Street Railway Station and the Forth & Clyde Canal at Possil Aquaduct. After many months of investigations, six conspirators were arrested.
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Old 28th April 2010, 12:01
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I'm afraid I'm a bit late in the day (having just joined the forum) with the following, but I can confirm from personal knowledge that there were actually gangs in Edinburgh - I can remember well careful we were as tennagers, to avoid any contact with the 'Valdor' (phonetic pronounciation, actually "Val d'or" ) gang from Tollcross, where there was a cafe of the same name - maybe this is where they gathered. This meant that when they swept through our area - Horne Terrace; Yeaman Place etc - we stepped into the gutter to avoid holding up their progress! Also,
there used to be pitched fights on the Union Canal banks, close to where Edinburgh's most famous resident, Tommy Connery, and I lived.
Bicycle chains, worn around the neck and hidden by jacket lapels were the favoured weapons and police routinely checked youths before they were allowed to enter the Fountainbridge Palais de Dance at night, by running their hands around the boys' collars and lapels. Terrible fights inside sometimes occurred, especially when the city was being visited by US sailors.
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Sorry to be late too !

From the mid 1950’s-70’s, I was born and grew up in Musselburgh, Midlothian, 6 miles East of Edinburgh, and later worked and lived in Edinburgh. When I was a boy/teen, I don’t recall gangs with special names as such, they were more informal in gang structure. But if the Pans (Prestonpans), Ternent (Tranent) (towns in East Lothian) or Porty (Portobello – part of Edinburgh) were coming to our town, it usually got known beforehand and gangs from either Wallyford, Pinkie or Fisherrow (all parts of Musselburgh) would be waiting to have a big sort out. Sometimes eg a gang of Panners might gate-crash a disco in Musselburgh and teams from Pinkie, Wallyford and maybe Fisherrow would either be waiting for them or would rally from street-corners, pubs and snooker halls to have a session. Musselburgh was a bit sensitive to gangs invading from other places. The main rivals were the Pans.

I also don’t recall many Edinburgh gangs having memorable names in the manner of Glasgow gangs, it was more the areas where the gangs came from that they were known by eg:- Niddrie, Craigmillar, Leith, Oxgangs, Clermiston, Sighthill, Drylaw, Muirhouse and one of the worst gang areas - Pilton (should have been Piltdown LOL)

They tended to put “Mental” in front of their name eg Young Mental Drylaw, though the major Oxgangs gang was called Bar-Ox. There was also the likes of Young Niddrie Terrors and Clerrie Jungle. Edinburgh and Musselburgh gang members also tended to put graffiti over walls in their own and other areas, usually with “Fi” (from) in the words eg “Padge Fi Pinkie”. I don’t suppose Pilton did graffiti as I don’t think they know how to read and write !

To quote the Edinburgh News “The most infamous graduate of the city's gangs is perhaps George "Dode" Buchanan, who became one of the city's biggest heroin dealers after learning his trade with the Niddrie Young Terror. The 50-year-old former body builder was locked up for eight years in 1974 as a teenager for attempted murder, and later for 12 years for heroin dealing. Would-be hitmen Marc Webley and James Tant were both members of the Young Mental Royston gang. They were jailed in 2005 for the shooting of convicted drug dealer Peter Simpson. Webley, then 20, already had 60 convictions to his name, dating back to his early teenage gang days, and harboured ambitions to become the major drug dealer in north Edinburgh.”

One noteable Glasgow gang you forgot among the Tongs, Cumbie and Toi was the Cody (Come On, Die Young).

I think one big difference between Glasgow and Edinburgh gangs was that Glasgow gangs had the reputation for being truly mental. While the more violent Edinburgh gangs might tool up with razors, knives, knuckle-dusters and hammers/clubs for the big occasion, the more violent Glasgow gangs would come with all that plus sharpened military swords (old sabres and Samurai swords), bayonets, kukris and hatchets and sometimes firearms. The famous secret defensive weapon for some of Glasgow’s gangs was of course to sew safety- razor blades or pins to the underside of coat/jacket lapels, so when someone, say, passing in the street tried to grab you by the lapels to “pit the heid” on you, they would get sudden handfuls of painful cuts and holes instead, leaving the defender to launch his own head-butt on the attacker. The head-butt is a Glasgow institution (The Glasgow Kiss) sometimes launched with the words “Can yer murra sew ?””Bang !!!” “Getter tae f***in’ sew that ya b*sturt”

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Old 16th September 2016, 16:13
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Just a thought, but Padge was actually from Stoneybank I think...

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Just a thought, but Padge was actually from Stoneybank I think...

But "Padge" sounds like the name of an ancient old scruffy dog that does nothing more fierce than lie by the fire. It's not properly gangstery, it it? Huh, young neds these days ...

Well, fun! Seeing a recent addition to this thread, I read the whole thing again, and I had quite forgotten that Mavericker guy. If I remember rightly, he made all sorts of other odd threads too, all about his plans to make some great comic book or graphic novel.

All a bit funny.

Hello and welcome, Briandhay

Now, what are your thoughts about street gangs in Canada in the 1400s?
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