Scots as Israelites??

[Eleana]

well, thank you...

will read it a little later, too much for me to sort it out rith now.

But for you in short:

Erse = Ärsche (forgive thevulgar language!!!) it's the plural German form of a$$e a couple of centuries ago.

Never call the Irish or Scots as such.

[wild-in-tent]

Thanx Eleana, sadly when you are looking up data, because it was used in written form you need to type in Erse to find it- which is why I was forced to note that in my statement.....sigh.....called us that did they? .....only a couple of centuries ago?...here I would have thought it was because our naked in battle ancient ancestors blinded them with their bluebell eyes and good looks? Must have been nice...naked tanned men with beautiful eyes and MUSCLES...what with being real rivals on the scene and all....!

Something else to ponder....the similarities between Irish Gaelic and Hebrew and a study of Sanskrit. There was a really good study done in the 1800's that showed Irish and Hebrew sentences from an old Gaelic manuscript with old Irish. It was almost word for word verbatim. I will search for it ...it is somewhere in my files. I remember too that Welsh has many interesting words as well. Of course Sanskrit is also connected...but at this time its origin is still not totally known. See article in links below....

https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/w...-l&T=0&P=14351

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/general/hittite.asp

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/general/sanskrit.asp

Hebrew being of Canaanite and Akkadian roots...and Akkadians being in Turkey, Celts having Phoenician-Cannaanite ties and also having ties to Turkey and around it goes...but for fun I am throwing in this webbie....to show we aren't the only ones wondering away lol!
https://listhost.uchicago.edu/piperm...ly/010030.html

So language is something that alone, cannot be relied on, as most know...but when one add artifacts and digs and language finds to that one's way becomes a tad clearer. I personally go more by archaeological evidence which comes to light more and more as time passes...but I do think man was not an isolated bunch of beings...rather there is more and more evidence of vigorous trade, more travelling around than most of us think and that it happened farther back than most of us know. I still laugh at the scientist who attested that there was no way an Irish torque could be found in Syria that early....yet it is well known that our bands ranged from as far away as Chekoslovakia and regularily roamed back and forth at one time....that is thousands of miles compared to a slight escapade down the coast from Turkey or Spain to Syria. Like what did he think...our ancestors who were capable of going great distances couldn't do the small jaunt yet could do a much larger one to Ireland? So there are many questions as yet unanswered about all the languages and peoples....and since it is known that the Hebrews originated in Akkadian lands...and we were close by...that there is much to be learned that is to our benefit .....about what was the original language? Several theories are on the books Tocharian, Nostratic, Protos of one sort or another...but the real answer yet eludes mankind for both queries.

Re Welsh and Phoenicians and leeks http://www.foodmuseum.com/wales.html to show how some aspects of our history are comical as well as informative about how things got there. It also alludes to the Tin trading that my ancestors were involved with in Cornwall with the Phoenicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celt wherein is a list of tribes that ranged throughout Europe into Britain. If any of you in Italy and Spain have any data that can be included here, feel free to add it. The Spanish Celts have long been neglected and it would be nice to have more data on them as they have much to do with Ireland...also I noted years ago that on one of the Balearic Isles there are dolmens and a similar structures many from the same period as stonehenge...I forget if it was Majorca or one of the other of them...you can also find them in Israel......as I said there is much we do not know.

http://www.stonepages.com/megalinks/...ula/index.html

And a newly discovered Stonehenge in Brittany.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1205976.ece

Originally Posted by Eleana

well, thank you...

will read it a little later, too much for me to sort it out rith now.

But for you in short:

Erse = Ärsche (forgive thevulgar language!!!) it's the plural German form of a$$e a couple of centuries ago.

Never call the Irish or Scots as such.

[Eleana]

Thank you for the abundance of information, which I had to digest first. In the bigger scheme of things we are related to each other anyway but the term genetic bears some dangers for the unaware. I mean, what does it really mean?

Of course Gaels are related to Basques who have evolved out of Celtibero tribes. But what does it really mean? Does it mean that Irish people are Basque? No, it doesn't.Most of the Brittanic Celts moved out from the mainland, pushed by the Germanic tribes, later Germanic tribes followed... an ongoing moving around in the continuum of time!

To use some scientific leverage: more than 90% of our genetic pool documents our close relationship to mammals. We share 97% of genes with mice!

Data are not useless, never are, but you always need to have some idea 1) who gathered the data 2) what population do they represent. In case of relationship Hebrew Irish we would have to analyze similarity of grammar rules and percentage of words with a shared root. There are other markers too, for instance definition of presence (simple present for instance), perception of time, and possession. Older languages tend not to have a word for 'have'.

Intersting discussions as long as we behave as adults and stop quarrelling with people who don't jump on our bandwagon easily.

[wild-in-tent]

I am very interested in the New stonehenge-like find in Brittany. That one is going to be a gold mine of information.
I should have posted that in its own thread. If someone wishes to carry it on into another thread be my guest.

Who did the genetic testing for the Basques and Celts? See link below...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1256894.stm

Ongoing DNA projects http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....genetics3.html

Quarreling who me? He is a distant relative of my family Eleana .....if you read other threads you will understand....it was ongoing and really had nothing to do with jumping on anyone's bandwagon, I've said my piece nuff said.
If you would like to debate through his material feel free lol! It was his digs I dinged him for.

Intersting discussions as long as we behave as adults and stop quarrelling with people who don't jump on our bandwagon easily.[/quote]

[Eleana]

My comment on quarreling was actually not directed to you instead more into the general audience. Sometimes I really don't understand why folks can get so excited about minor things.

In a second thought I think I do understand.

[Sakhu]

This passage from the old testament of Genesis Chapter 12, verse 1-3, I believe will shed some light on the subject. As far as I understand the passage is pre-Israel, going back before the nation of Israel to one of the original tribes of Abram.

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee.
2: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing;
3: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This passage could be referring to a tribe of Abram that migrated way beyond the boarders of Israel and settled in the British Isles somewhere, There seems to be one additional passage in later text of the Bible that point to Scotland in the Sixteenth Century.

Heraldry is mentioned in the Bible, however, Heraldry of non Bibical reference began after the death of the Rampant Lion, King of Scots, Malcolm Canmore from the twelventh century on.

As the ancestor of the Scots, English, and families across Europe and the Holy lands, I would think this passage of the bible refers to the nation of Great Britain.

[Polwarth]

Hey Sakhu
When are you going to make that world-shattering announcement about the 'Scottish silver treasures' you were always telling us about? Must be about 3 years we've been waiting... eh?