Scots as Israelites??

[wild-in-tent]

We were discussing Ladino when you asked your question....I do believe you got lost between the title of the thread and my discussion on language and Gaelic tribes and roots....I did answer the question as to what links were for my language post...other than that you are on your own lol! If I want to get that sidetracked I will borrow a good 4X4 and hit the dusty trails....lol!
As for fantasy if you have Sephardic Jewish linguistics in your European language that I think that might be a bit of a red flag to say some mixing was going on....somewhere..there was definate mixing in Spain and many Gaels came from Spain including many Gaels in Ireland....and mixing if not of the people in some areas... definately of the language and the fact that they were all in close proximity to each other even that far back...that and other findings certainly have me interested in not saying one way or the other that it is a definate no....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/596542/posts

The statue of the dying Gaul in Turkey has always disturbed and haunted me ever since I first saw its depiction....way back when I was young...here is a link to it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

Also there was a Gallic Jewish Congregation of Christians in Turkey in the first century in Galacia...Christians certainly could marry each other...so the possibilities of them mixing there is even more probable for that area....the book is definately not closed on the issue for those who are deeply interested about the actual scientific truth of the matter.

Originally Posted by Duthill

I wasn't needing help , I Just wondered what you sources were .
Not in the links that you posted then huh ?

I think that the answer to question ''Scots as Israelites??'' is No.
Just another version of the British Israelite fantasy .

thanks anyway

[DistantCelt]

As for fantasy if you have Sephardic Jewish linguistics in your European language that I think that might be a bit of a red flag to say some mixing was going on

Not necessarily. The human mouth can produce only so many range of sounds and often totally unrelated languages have the exact same word (though it may or often does mean completely different things) in their vocabulary.
The presence of small jewish communities in Europe for the past thousand plus years and the subsequent evolution of most of the current European languages during that period does indicate some borrowing and influxes but to conclude that scots = jewish from that is just fantasical British Israelism.
The presence of slight middle eastern genomes in Irish or Israeli bloodlines doesnt equate to any substantial jewish heritage or mixing at all. Infact, it could just as well be arab as they are both classified as 'semetic' people with very little mitochondrial difference ( as in amongst Sephardim, Arabs, Mizrahi etc.- the Ashkenazim being convert Khazars are different).

[wild-in-tent]

Where did I conclude that Scots were Israelites? Nowhere in this thread have I done such that is if you were intimating that I was. I have said Gaels/Celts and Irish....have red flags, and you cannot truly say either way as you must admit you have no proof to say that the Gauls aren't either....they are still digging, still studying etc. It is premature to make conclusions to say the least. Even those in the field who are genuine about getting at the truth of the matter say that. If you were just making a general statement okay but I thought I would clarify it one way or the other. It is important for us Gaels to have the truth...so many have lied about our people and made up stories and ideas based on whatever whims and agendas and bias possessed them at the time. Many new discoveries have been fairly recent so for any of our people to jump on the bandwagon at this stage is foolish in light of the continuing new finds...

Originally Posted by DistantCelt

Not necessarily. The human mouth can produce only so many range of sounds and often totally unrelated languages have the exact same word (though it may or often does mean completely different things) in their vocabulary.
The presence of small jewish communities in Europe for the past thousand plus years and the subsequent evolution of most of the current European languages during that period does indicate some borrowing and influxes but to conclude that scots = jewish from that is just fantasical British Israelism.
The presence of slight middle eastern genomes in Irish or Israeli bloodlines doesnt equate to any substantial jewish heritage or mixing at all. Infact, it could just as well be arab as they are both classified as 'semetic' people with very little mitochondrial difference ( as in amongst Sephardim, Arabs, Mizrahi etc.- the Ashkenazim being convert Khazars are different).

[DistantCelt]

you cannot truly say either way as you must admit you have no proof to say that the Gauls aren't either....they are still digging, still studying etc. It is premature to make conclusions to say the least. Even

Ofcourse I can- there is enough evidence to conclude that 'Celts/Anglo-Saxons = Israelis' is nothing more than sensationalist british Israelism because it does not add up. The debate in actual scientific communities in this regard revolves around just how miniscule/negligible connections the Celts/Anglo-Saxons have with semetic people. The idea that they are one and the same is flat out rejected because there is too many holes in that theory.

[wild-in-tent]

You are wrong and btw British Israelism is misnamed it should be Anglo Israelism as it was the Anglos that first started it off and their desire to prove that Anglo Saxons were Royal Scythian and that the Scolotai which is one of the Scottish tribes were also Royal Scyths hence Anglo=Scot. For those of us who have grown up all our lives lol with wanna be Celts in Witchcraft and other trying to horn in why would this attempt surprise us? The scientific Gallic past and this movement are not connected at all. Some in this movement try to use the Gallic finds to trot out their beliefs but that does not in any way minimize the value of the original findings...there will always be wanna be druids and stuff....most of it is annoying ...though some lol! say at least it keeps putting the Celts top of mind....whatever floats ones boat I guess....at any rate we were enjoying this thread till you attempted to crash it lol! I would prefer to hear from fellow Celts like Eleana and such who this does truly concern and not just turn it into another fiasco thread which usually happens when you are around....lol!

Actually I was a bit wrong the Protestants were the ones that drove it along and one of the guys that started it was mentally ill.......note click on Scythians in Wiki in this Anglo thread and you will see that indeed Gaels are to be included as those with Scythian ties and they did have Celtic Scythian ties and intermingling.......but for the Anglos to drag the poor Scots into being the same stock...well again back to Scientific finds and future digs.....sigh.....of course many Anglos have since married into our people so this is another thing we will have to put up with lol!.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Israelism

Originally Posted by DistantCelt

Ofcourse I can- there is enough evidence to conclude that 'Celts/Anglo-Saxons = Israelis' is nothing more than sensationalist british Israelism because it does not add up. The debate in actual scientific communities in this regard revolves around just how miniscule/negligible connections the Celts/Anglo-Saxons have with semetic people. The idea that they are one and the same is flat out rejected because there is too many holes in that theory.

[DistantCelt]

not just turn it into another fiasco thread which usually happens when you are around.

You'll find that fiascos are more common in threads where you try to challenge accredited information with anecdotal and sensationalist stuff that fail to meet the benchmarks of accuracy and/or fairness in perspective.

But on the topic of 'scots/celts = jews', it is nothing more than poorly researched anecdotal evidence driven by British Israelism and religious propaganda that far sensationalises the jewish presence or influence in Ire/Caledonia.

[wild-in-tent]

and in every thread where one can push their own hidden agendas as well, my case is stated clearly and conscisely enough, for those with their own brains, minds and fingers at a keyboard and through reading information in archives and books to find out on their own as well lol! Stifling others from data and learning is impossible. Humans make up their own minds and I believe in putting data out there for others to come to their own conclusions using said data to explore further on their own. It is much more intelligent than stifling thought and exploration. I welcome other links and data with open arms...rather than just prate on a soapbox trying to stifle all that they do not concur with. Data is data and it speaks volumes more than most can supress even if they wish to. That is my position on it. All the facts are not in all the ground is not explored so like I said you are utterly premature in your black and white assumptions at this time...unless you can prove that all digs are done and everything is found...which you cannot.

Originally Posted by DistantCelt

You'll find that fiascos are more common in threads where you try to challenge accredited information with anecdotal and sensationalist stuff that fail to meet the benchmarks of accuracy and/or fairness in perspective.

But on the topic of 'scots/celts = jews', it is nothing more than poorly researched anecdotal evidence driven by British Israelism and religious propaganda that far sensationalises the jewish presence or influence in Ire/Caledonia.