Scots as Israelites??

[S mise]

It's all very tenous, but it's probably the case that establishment figures (of whatever kind, kings, popes, warlords etc) used these legends and myths to support their own claims to whatever power they had. In other words it's only propoganda but it's so old it is implied truth.

Like all creation myths, there may be a grain of truth in it somewhere then again, there may not.

Speaking as someone who was born, brought up in and lives in Scotland - it's bull****.

[Harika]

I am from Genoa.

S mise (doesn't it mean "it's me?" ) is right... many myths have a grain of truth... I think that many of the myths may come from geological catastrophes, for instance, and people living 5000 or more years ago didn't know how to explain it so they figured out it was because of the wrath of gods.
Many people have claimed to be decending from Atlantis but of course, there is no evidence of the existence of Atlantis itself and according to the latest studies, the North American continent seems to be excluded from the possibility of bein that ancient land.

[Eleana]

Genua... busy city that is. Haven't been there for quite a while.

The Keltoi are not that mystic even though they didn't like to write their stories up. But the Greek and Romans did. The truth of the story is that Celts indeed were to be found in middle east but they had come from Europe, not the other way around.


I never would have looked for Atlantis in North America...

[wild-in-tent]

Except possibly the Irish. As I mentioned in another thread, ancient Irish actually had Hebrew, Aramaic and Phoenician words and some passages could be word for word verbatim with Hebrew although the spelling was just a bit different......and there was an Irish torque found in Syria 2000 years earlier than all this being spoken of...there is some evidence in Ireland, thru genetic testing and trading artifacts that Ireland may not at all fit into this. Scotland on the other hand as well as the surrounding Gaelic speaking nations have different Gaelic than the Irish, in that the Irish have pronounciations that are different than its neighbors who all use the same form of speaking though different words...Irish speak similar to the Basques and Phoenicians in their syntax....I hope I'm using the right words to describe this lol....I am going from memory...it has provoked more than a little interest in the Middle East as well as from Amizagh researchers. The Berber also have ties to the Irish...so the Gaels were a vast confederation of tribes that were all over the place at one time....we are only beginning to scratch the surface..though I agree, I haven't seen much evidence of Scotland being involved other than they came from Ireland...about 1/3 of Ireland has tested out to be of Middle Eastern ties, namely Jewish genetics...that leaves 2/3 with other...along with their Celtic genetics. So it is possible that the scots were of the other...or maybe not...only time and further research and data will tell us...if it is found. Nothing to be too concerned about either way yet though lol! At least not in Scotland, if at all.

Originally Posted by Eleana

Genua... busy city that is. Haven't been there for quite a while.

The Keltoi are not that mystic even though they didn't like to write their stories up. But the Greek and Romans did. The truth of the story is that Celts indeed were to be found in middle east but they had come from Europe, not the other way around.


I never would have looked for Atlantis in North America...

[Harika]

The Romans were truly frightened of the populations they had met in Britannia and Gallia and their fear lead them to building the Hadrian's Wall to keep them divided from the Picts and the Scots.
They wrote many stories about that populations that looked so different from the disciplined Roman armies thus giving us the idea that the Keltoi were some sort of blood thirsty monsters. On the other hands, the Romans used to write frightening accounts on everything they did not understand and as they conquered the known world, their stories were deemed real.

Have you been in Genova, Eleana?

Wild, isn't that possible that it's just the century old melting pot that is Europe that has produced this unusual mix between Irish and Hebrews? I mean that every European has, in the end, signs of different genetic origins. I've read somewhere that everybody having B type blood is connected to the Middle East, for instance.

[wild-in-tent]

Undoubtedtly some of it is definately attributed to mixing in Turkey, Iran, Scythia (Ukraine included here) and such...but also the Irish annals have recorded that 3 ships with Israelites aboard landed in Ireland and stayed, thereafter mixing with our populations...there was also trade ties with Phoenicians who had Israelites aboard. So it is through 2 avenues that this occured. Definately though there was mixing in the Orient and Europe prior to coming to Brittania and during their forays in an out as at one time which I have said before, the Romans when asking the Keltoi about this Brittania, were told by the Celts that Brittania was only a farflung outpost. The loose confederations of Gauls/Gaels and other tribes were strung out through many countries and in fact after raiding Rome a part of the Celtic raiding party broke away to go back to their families in Turkey. They say because of Celtic law at the time that the treasure remained in the storehouse of the King as by law all the participants shared the booty...since part of them had gone to Turkey it could not be divided and remained in the Kings storehouse in France.

and PS lol! I have B type blood and I remember as a child how horrible that was. The Doctor told my mother that it was a risk for me to have a blood transfusion as the B's weren't broken down enough and there were several types of B...hence there were more complications.....so I was one of those little girls afraid to get cut or hurt when I was small....my sister remembers me being soooo careful when we were adventuring ...it used to drive her nuts....lol!

Wild, isn't that possible that it's just the century old melting pot that is Europe that has produced this unusual mix between Irish and Hebrews? I mean that every European has, in the end, signs of different genetic origins. I've read somewhere that everybody having B type blood is connected to the Middle East, for instance.[/quote]

[Eleana]

@Harika: yup, I've been to Genova plenty of times. I was fluent in Italian as a child. Shame on me, I've lost almost all of it, but I still can understand spoken Italian.

@Wild-in-tent: The Celts as a group belong to the indoeuropean group, clearly recognisable by cognates... words all European languages share. The Greeks and Romans were good in keeping tracks of history, so did the Egyptians. The mainland of the Celts were in South Germany, France from where they moved to the East all the way down to middle east and other groups moved to the West and North west. Later the Scotti moved around the Belgae who had invaded Britain to settle Ireland (before Christ) and then they moved on to Scotland where they assimilated the Picts and Norse. The middle East branch disolved as all the other branches did. They had lived in and near Turkey and most likely they could leave their traces on all people who lived their as well: like the Phoenicians and Hebrew. Those movements are traceable through historical documents, linguistic evaluations. and analysis of cultural remains, like graves, pottery, and such.

Gàidhlig and Gaeilge are so close together because they developed out of the same root. Welsh, Britanny, and the Goidelic languages (Gaeilge and Gàidhlig) are also close, closer as Goidelic to Hebrew! The Gàidhlig had to absorb Pictish which belonged to the Cymric languages and the Norse, whilst the Gaeilge developed on its own.

Just look at English English, Scottish English, Canadian English, American English! Isn't it amazing how quickly they have developed their own set of characteristicas in such a short time and even as we have now an abundance of communication tools, they continue to develop on their own?

Christianization was a factor of spreading the word around even literally. Traders and mercenaries contributed to it too. Three ships of how many don not justify to change a whole nations ancestry. But it way have introduced a couple of new words.

All in all: in my humble opinion , the Galater may have influenced the middle east, the Celtiberers left their mark on the Romans, and the Romans left their marks on all affected European tribes for sure, and kist let the Irish be what they are, a people moving out of the threatened cradle of Celts.