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Old 3rd March 2005, 18:26
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[quote]Originally posted by ANDY-J2
[b] Edward Bruce has been described by one Irish author as "a destroyer of Ireland in general,both of English and Gael"- A history of Ireland-Curtis.1950.It should be remembered that the main motivation for Bruce involvement in Ireland was to relieve pressure on the Scots by drawing English troops into a conflict with the Irish.Even had Bruce been succesful the outcome would not have been Irish independence but the replacement of Anglo-Norman feudalism with Scots-Norman feudalism.






I don't know to much about Edward in Ireland. But, based on what I do know, I would say you would be right Andy-J2

I do know he was killed in Ireland,and that Robert was over with him for awhile.
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What language was Bruce referring to?
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How's about English?
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Why don't you keep readnig....my I suggest "Peter Pan"...its' about this made-up land (you should know all about that!)

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Bruce and Ulster

Bruce's second marriage was to Elizabeth de Buurgh in 1302.She was the daughter of Richard de Burgh earl of Ulster.The earl of Ulster was a staunch supporter of King Edward I.It is suggested that the marriage was Edward I's idea.This year, 1302, was the year Bruce defected to to the English and Edward.Bruce had four children in this marriage, two boys and two girls,of the boys, one died in infancy and the other, David born 5th March 1324 was the king's heir.
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Bruce's second marriage was to Elizabeth de Buurgh in 1302.She was the daughter of Richard de Burgh earl of Ulster.The earl of Ulster was a staunch supporter of King Edward I.It is suggested that the marriage was Edward I's idea.This year, 1302, was the year Bruce defected to to the English and Edward.Bruce had four children in this marriage, two boys and two girls,of the boys, one died in infancy and the other, David born 5th March 1324 was the king's heir.


Thanks for the info Somarlidh.

There was also a mention of a king or chief called Canmore and the old Celtic church, and that Canmore's wife cajoled
Canmore into adapting the Roman church.

It says in that book that Bruce's life was saved by an Englishman.

Wallace was in it too,it was Bruce who knighted him[according to this book]. Is this true?

Wallace came across as more of a guerilla fighter. Hiding out in Etterick forest.

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How's about English?
Bruce was referring to Gaelic, not English.

I suggest you read some historical documents, you and your friends (if they aren't in fact your alter egos) here, would be well advised to do so.

As for these days, some of us can speak both. My Irish Gaelic is mediocre though.
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