English is not the same as British

[Sire-Chris]

Originally posted by Scottish_Republican
But it is the English parliament.

The Scottish parliament with its three estates system contributed nothing at all to the design of Westminster, let alone Wales or Ireland. The Church of England plays the central role int he ceremonies, despite the fact it has no official status north of the border.

All that happened is that the old English parliament got expanded. And it is still English by a vast majority.

It is the English parliament continuing.

It has representatives from each and every country in the UK and states such as Scotland are significantly over represented.

[Scottish_Republican]

"It has representatives from each and every country in the UK and states such as Scotland are significantly over represented."

If the Duma took on English members, it would still be the Russian Duma.

We may be over represented in comparison to English constituencies, but we are also outgunned when it comes to any major vote. This flaw is going to be fatal to the UK.

[Sire-Chris]

Originally posted by Scottish_Republican
"It has representatives from each and every country in the UK and states such as Scotland are significantly over represented."

If the Duma took on English members, it would still be the Russian Duma.

We may be over represented in comparison to English constituencies, but we are also outgunned when it comes to any major vote. This flaw is going to be fatal to the UK.

Not if the Russian and English peoples became united and it renamed itself to be the "Russian/English Duma". That would be entirely different. Then again thats proposterous. Like your analogy in fact.

"That Flaw is going to be fatal to the UK."

When? Its been this way for hundreds of years now, and nothing has been done before. Because Scotland has always done very well out of the union!

[Jock_Tams_Bairn]

I think this arguement of regional assemblies is proof of the need for them. The Northeners and Southeners disagree on so many things that it makes sense to let each area govern itself. The Scottish parliament is proof that, if done right, R.A's can considerably improve an area. Conditions in Scotland has improved, Tax spending in Scotland has increased which has helped Scotland (the people's taxes haven't increased. Our money is now being spent more on us). Does it really make sense that Yorkshire taxes go towards paying for improvements in London? Admittedly R.A's can be useless (see Wales. All its done is make people wonder whether its a seperate country than England or if its a county of England. I say this because Welsh laws and English laws are almost exactly the same).

While I am Scottish, I do believe that English and Brittish is the same thing (This is why I will not call myself British). Look at the figures (these are only rough figures not exact)
1.1 million people - N.Ireland
2.3 million people - Wales
5.5 million people - Scotland

50 million people - England

The rest of the U.K doesnt even come up to a fifth of Englands population therefore England is Briton by default.
The Westminster parliament is therefore the English/British government. If all of England voted for the conservatives then it wouldnt matter what the other countries voted for. It would be a landslide. Secondly someone was complaining about Scottish M.E.P's voting on things that only concern England/Wales. Scottish M.E.P's are being phased out quite quickly now to the point (within about 10 years) when there will be no more people representing Scotland in Westminster.

The fact that Tony Blair was born in Scotland doesn't mean anything here. There are no laws in the U.K stating that no foreign person can become Prime Minister. The Prime Minister could be Korean and he would still be representing Briton.

[misslarue]

I think this arguement of regional assemblies is proof of the need for them. The Northeners and Southeners disagree on so many things that it makes sense to let each area govern itself. The Scottish parliament is proof that, if done right, R.A's can considerably improve an area.

The English , like the Scots have a right to their own parliament. Regional Assemblies does not equal an English parliament, in fact Blair has already stated that the English do not expect the same as the Scots. The 'powers' that will devolved to
regional assemblies have not even been decided yet so no one has a true indication of what these maybe.
I think the North spoke for itself when it voted NO......what a great day!
Despite the 'vote' these RA are already operating and receiving funding and do not legally have to cease operation even in the event of a NO.

Admittedly R.A's can be useless.(see Wales. All its done is make people wonder whether its a separate country than England or if its a county of England. I say this because Welsh laws and English laws are almost exactly the same).

Exactly..........why would we settle for them???


While I am Scottish, I do believe that English and Brittish is the same thing (This is why I will not call myself British).

I am English. I KNOW that England and Britain are NOT the same thing. (This is why I will not call myself British).


[i]The Westminster parliament is therefore the English/British government. If all of England voted for the conservatives then it wouldn’t matter what the other countries voted for. It would be a landslide. /[i]

Do you not agree that an English Parliament, would serve ONLY the English? Anything less is not an English Parliament.


Secondly someone was complaining about Scottish M.E.P's voting on things that only concern England/Wales. Scottish M.E.P's are being phased out quite quickly now to the point (within about 10 years) when there will be no more people representing Scotland in Westminster.

10 years is too long and does not reverse the effects of top up fees and foundation hospitals. Also regional assemblies do not address the West Lothian Question.

The fact that Tony Blair was born in Scotland doesn't mean anything here. There are no laws in the U.K stating that no foreign person can become Prime Minister. The Prime Minister could be Korean and he would still be representing Briton.

It doesn’t mean anything here either, mate. As an English person, Tony Blair is a Scot..……….(Stop trying to push him off on us!)

[misslarue]

It doesn’t mean anything here either, mate. As an English person, Tony Blair is a Scot..……….(Stop trying to push him off on us!)

While you're at it, could some one please come and get Alan Hanson! ;0)

[Scottish_Republican]

It's Tony Blair himself who claims to be English, not me. Charles Kennedy makes no secrets of his origins, but is supposedly going to attend no events north of the Border in the elections to the Grossen-Englisch parliament.