Duncan,MacBeth and Canmore

[McBath]

all of them are related and all were king,they all killed each other and Im talking about the true MacBeth not the shakespeare one.

anyways who do you think was the better king of the three?

I say MacBeth,even though there isnt that much known about him but from what people say is that he was a good king,scotland was peacful for the most part,so that in 1050 that he went to rome.
also Im related to him

theres more to macbeth and I would like to discuss this.

[Sakhu]

Definately King Malcolm 111 Canmore was the best king of the house of Dunkel. But his son King David also was very powerful and rose to the betterment of the people and culture.
Malcolm before he married Saint Margaret, Queen of Scotland in 1070, followed the advice of the Normans and acted for his royal subjects to adopt sir names from their territorial possessions. He adopted the name "Canmore" for himself which means "Great Head", this is because he had a rather large head that resembled a head of a lion.

And so it was he adopted a new symbol for the King of Scots, "The Lion Rampant". The lion Rampant is considered the natural position for a lion in battle. This position of the lion displayed in those days were meant to mean courage, and eagerness to defend his territory, which Malcolm 111 certain fit this description in many ways.

However, because his heart was softened by his Saintly Queen Margaret to accept Christ, and learn Christian teachings to serve and love your fellow man kind. Malcolm was tricked into coming forth to take back his keys to his old castle, seighed by the English, Castle Alwich in 1093. The English garrison tricked Malcolm 111 into believing he could be trusted. He extended the keys to his castle off a long pole to the King of Scots, and as Malcolm 111 reached for his keys to their old home, the English garrison charged forward driving the long spear through an eye, killing him instantly. All hell broke loose and his eldest son and heir to the throne was murdered in vengence for his father. Saint Margaret died 3 days after getting the news from her younger son, Edmund.

Needless to say because Malcolm had the sence to state Monarch law of succession follow the oldest son of the King. The royal family members no longer were in battle for the throne, as the oldest son now would get the title under Malcolm's law. However, Malcolm's oldest living brother Donald Bane would not accept the new way to decide a successor, so he banned with Malcolm's oldest living son Edmund to rule jointly. That only laster a few years before they were disposed of by King Edgar, Edmund was stripped of the crown and imprisoned. After Edgar died leaving no son, the crown went to Alexander and then David 1, (the saint)All son's of Malcolm 111. David 1 was great friends with the Normans, as they were educated together. It was under his rule that sir names came into existance in Scotland. From Scotland under King David 1 Sir names begun to spring throughout the world.

Malcolm 111 had the sense to listen to the Normans, and so a good thing came out of their relationship, unlike the English Vs. Norman. The king of Scots also devised the first consumer protection law on hallmarking. The law of course included the death sentence if the King was cheated by any silver or goldsmith. As Christianity was accepted more and more across the lands, the marks were seperated into something similar what Britian now has for hallmarking (consumer) laws.

[Sakhu]

Sorry, Donald and Edmund were disposed by Duncan 11, oldest living son of Malcom from his first wife Ingerborg, then Edgar, Alexander and David 1

[aNonnyMoose]

Originally posted by Sakhu He adopted the name "Canmore" for himself which means "Great Head", this is because he had a rather large head that resembled a head of a lion.

What garbage. It's from the Gaelic ('Ceann' means head or chief and 'mhor' means great) and merely meant 'Great Chief. He didn't adopt the name for himself, it was given to him by his followers.

Originally posted by Sakhu And so it was he adopted a new symbol for the King of Scots, "The Lion Rampant". The lion Rampant is considered the natural position for a lion in battle. This position of the lion displayed in those days were meant to mean courage, and eagerness to defend his territory, which Malcolm 111 certain fit this description in many ways.

Complete and utter garbage. The Lion Rampant was adopted by William (the Lion), King of Scots from 1165 to 1214, buried at Arbroath Abbey. He was called William the Lion because of the heraldic symbol which he adopted - the red lion rampant on a yellow background, which has remained the Royal Standard since that time.

Originally posted by Sakhu The king of Scots also devised the first consumer protection law on hallmarking. The law of course included the death sentence if the King was cheated by any silver or goldsmith. As Christianity was accepted more and more across the lands, the marks were seperated into something similar what Britian now has for hallmarking (consumer) laws.

You're on pretty dodgy ground here. The first reference to hallmarks in 'Britain' was over 700 years ago in the year 1300 by a statute from the English monarch King Edward 1, and the first mention of hall marking in Scotland some 600 years ago. An assay office was set up in Edinburgh some 500 years ago and is currently under threat:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=555652003

I don't suppose this is in any way connected with your collection of silver teapots is it?

[Polwarth]

Hiya Nonny auld pal....

This is the poster that wis trying tae persuade us aw tae buy silver stuff that wis 'found' ahent a wa' in Edinburgh Castle.... This wis a while back..... Ah think she/he thinks we huv short memories! Ah must tell Celyn that Sakhu is back wi the usual drivel....

Huv a wee search for the poster's name and you'll get the whole picture - but here's a thread, just to get you started...
http://www.scotland.com/forums/showt...threadid=17131

[aNonnyMoose]

Thankyou, young lady. I have just posted a little factual refutation on the afore-mentioned thread, as our poor sucker doesn't seem to have noticed a slight 4 century gap between his claimed artefacts and the introduction of the hallmarks he alleges makes them genuine.

Anyone want to buy London Bridge? Going cheap!

[aNonnyMoose]

McBath, I would agree with you. Despite the propaganda rubbish propounded by the foreign playwright Shakespeare, MacBeth was one of the finest early kings of Scots. He reigned for 17 years, and was the penultimate Celtic King of Scots. He managed to visit Rome on pilgrimage in 1050, when it was reported that he 'scattered money like seed to the poor'. He is described thus in the prophecy of Saint Berchan:

'The ruddy faced king... will possess Scotland.
The strong one was fair, yellow-haired and tall.
Brimful of food was Scotland, east and west,
During the reign of the ruddy, brave king'

Canmore was the clown who began to Normanise Scotland by marrying the Hungarian princess Margaret. She started the decline of the old Celtic Christian church by introducing the Roman religion, and backing them to the hilt to the detriment of what was essentially a peaceful church who did not leech off the population in the way that later religions did. Canmore also began the Norman system of hereditary monarchy in Scotland, which prior to that had relied mainly on the Celtic method of tanistry - picking the ruler most fitted to rule. He ranks as one of the worst Kings of Scots in my book, though one of his sons, David 1, redeemed things a bit by being rather enlightened for the period. He did a lot of good with regard to laws and trade.