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Old 12th July 2003, 09:01
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When is Scotland going to wake up,Macleod of Macleod cant afford to keep his grandeur in his castle so he wants to sell off Scottish mountains,,, what gives him the right to sell off our Country, if he cant afford his castle move out Im sure even he can have a council house,why should he be financed to live it as Lord of the Manor,they say their clan home for 800years, if thats the facts why didnt he think of that years ago and his forefathers think of that Im sure the Macleods were not a poor Clan,must have been a great shock to all so called gentry in Scotland after 1914 people stopped that class system and Scots no longer skivvied for the rich,so why didnt they invest their inheritances instead living it up over the years,so now they have nothing left ,,, so move out and give the Castle to Scotland
you canna expect us to buy it and let you live there free in your usual splendour,
come on Scotland we have kept these people lang enuff,,,
I know many Macleods that have fell on hard times never seen him offering a help up to his Clansmen,
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Old 12th July 2003, 12:31
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Your post shows an extremely poor knowledge of history, like you have been listening to too much sub marxist nonsense. The clans were never rich, powerful yes, but never that wealthy.

It does however expose the socialist myth that those who are at the top remain at the top, and instead shows that fortunes rise and fall in an open society.

Many of the old aristocratic famalies did try and become capitalists, but they made bad investments and couldn't compete with the new merchant class which arose from the capitalist revolution at the beginning of the 18th century.
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Old 26th July 2003, 18:31
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When is Scotland going to wake up,Macleod of Macleod cant afford to keep his grandeur in his castle so he wants to sell off Scottish mountains,,, what gives him the right to sell off our Country, if he cant afford his castle move out Im sure even he can have a council house,why should he be financed to live it as Lord of the Manor,they say their clan home for 800years, if thats the facts why didnt he think of that years ago and his forefathers think of that Im sure the Macleods were not a poor Clan,must have been a great shock to all so called gentry in Scotland after 1914 people stopped that class system and Scots no longer skivvied for the rich,so why didnt they invest their inheritances instead living it up over the years,so now they have nothing left ,,, so move out and give the Castle to Scotland
you canna expect us to buy it and let you live there free in your usual splendour,
come on Scotland we have kept these people lang enuff,,,
I know many Macleods that have fell on hard times never seen him offering a help up to his Clansmen,
a Jacobite

Well, what should Scotland do with this castle, you think??? Just a question. Another ruin to be maintained by Historic Scotland or any other trust? I think to some clan members, though I cannot speak for the MacLeods, a castle like this does mean something. It is part of their heritage, too. Just a thought... Maybe a change of use in this castle could help to do something for all the clan. A hotel where clan gatherings can be held and the rest of the year, money and jobs go to clan members??? Could it be an idea? Or make it a school or a center for medical treatment??? The clan chief could still live there, don't you think?

I am feared that with what you offer, Scotland could suffer the same fate some regions of Spain and Italy have suffered years ago: Living heritage and culture to die out and be replaced by a Disneyland-like "nativeness" for the tourists.

Scotland should not make the same mistake, I think. This "Disneyland traditionalism" has lead so far that the European Union in some countries now questions if the traditional forms of agriculture and rural culture are still in line with their generalized thoughts.

First it's hunting and bullfight they forbid, then maybe it will be haggis. Because the traditions do not seem to be really alive but some stage-like stuff for the tourists.

If Scotland does treat its castles, its ecological, agricultural and cultural heritage like this, I see her end up in one line with genetically manipulated Dutch tomatoes and Harris Tweed being woven in Bulgaria...

Why not have this clan chief if there are people who still accept it? I see no feudal structures of slavery in this today. Today.

And by the way, you ended your post with the words "a jacobite". How did you mean that? Is it jacobite no to help anyone or what did you want to say?

No attack in all this, just thoughts and questions.
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Old 14th August 2003, 13:20
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of course they forbid hunting. it's a cruel, barabaric sport. if i ever saw hunters hunting foxes near my house i'd set the hounds on them and see how they like it.
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Old 14th August 2003, 18:03
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of course they forbid hunting. it's a cruel, barabaric sport. if i ever saw hunters hunting foxes near my house i'd set the hounds on them and see how they like it.
Well, I do love hunting. And I can handle my gun fairly. But if you mean the traddy foxhound where the fox is mashed to pieces by the hounds, I don't like this either. A good shot and that be it. "Foxhunt" here, we do it with a leading horse dragging behind a bit of rag scented with something dreadful, but the hounds follow it as if it were a fox. It's the riding it is about, at least for me.

But really, the E.U. does forbid a pretty lot of things that are good and traditional, especially when it comes to agriculture. On the other hand, they allow genetic changes in corn and wheat, as well as artificial greases into baby food and chocolate. Well, I don't like it, so Scotland should be careful about the E.U...

If England wants to subdue everything to E.U. rule, why ever not...
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