Bird Flu on the doorstep of Europe

[Peter_Martin]

The Asian Bird Flu has now been found in poultry in Turkey (having started off in Asia). It was also found in the Netherlands, but swift action seems to have stamped out matters before it took hold.

Now that Turkey has got this strain of the 'flu it is not imposible that it will cross Europe and arrive in the UK eventually. The UK Government do not appear to have taken any steps to increase their stocks of flu vaccine. I have to have the flu vacine every year because of a birth heart defect. The fears of an epidemic mean that I have to wait until November as my Doctor's Surgery has been inundated. I have never had to wait more than two weeks for my jab.

I enclose a link for those that have not seen the story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4341496.stm

Who do you think is wrong/irresponsible - the UK Government for not increasing stocks of vaccine or those who are trying to get a free vaccine on the National Health Service?

I have posted this in the health forum although it could also be in politics. I also enclose a further link about the 1918 flu epidemic that appears to have also started with birds - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm

[ANDY-J3]

Up until now the virus is not thought to have spread between people but today's Sun carries a story that suggests that this has happened in at least one instance in Thailand-



"A MUM killed by dreaded bird flu was last night feared to be the first person to have caught it from another human.
The woman Pranee, in her twenties, was infected as she nursed her dying 11-year-old daughter Sakuntala, in hospital, medics believe."



http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470908,00.html

[Peter_Martin]

Interesting article. I think that it is possilbe for this flu strain to cross from poultry to humans. I admit that I am not qualified in the medical field. I noticed a story during the weekend about a man and his brother who both caught the bug H5something or other. They lived in China if I remember rightly. Apparently this is the cause of the bird flu. So mayabe it is technically the case that you will not catch the bird flu, but the bug that it linked to it.

Anyway the story said that the man's brother died. The man survived. However he said he was looking forward to going home to his family. Apparently they were preparing a traditional delicacy to celebrate his return. One of the ingredients is raw duck's blood. Maybe we should ensure that we take extra special hygiene care when dealing with poultry for the time being.

[SlaveNo???]

Hi all! I'm a newbie here, so go easy on me.


If the flu virus happens here I'll wager its come directly from whats in the flu jabs they're pushing into everybody right now. Esp the old and infirm.

But on a lighter note:

http://us.f529.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Sho...a&head=b&Idx=3

[WeeButtons]

I for one have never gotten a flu shoot.. Lucky for me, I don't get the flu either. Can't remember if ever I had it or not.. but why bother with the shoot.. lol..

I've known too many people whom have received the shoot, then no sooner then two weeks later.. were they sick..

[SlaveNo???]

This Doctor Tenpenny isn't agreeing with the mainstream doctors:

'Tenpenny: It appears that the lobbying power of pharmaceutical companies and the global poultry and egg-producing companies have influenced the development of the bird flu scare. The world is being convinced that the H5N1 virus will mutate so that it can spread from human-to-human. The corporate benefit to the pharmaceutical companies is selling billions of dollars worth of drugs and vaccines. The huge, multinational poultry producers will survive the costs associated with the mass killing of their factory-farmed, genetically-modified birds while most small poultry producers will be forced out of business and into servitude to multinational agribusiness. Politically, bird-flu hysteria will allow governments to grow as they develop new schemes to regulate entire industries, implement mass vaccination programs and put into operation police states as a consequence of the predicted pandemic.'

'Tenpenny: Because they travel over great distances and a few dead birds have tested positive for the H5N1 virus, migratory birds are being blamed as the vector for transmitting the virus far and wide. However, actual migratory patterns of bird species through the flyways are not known. The theory is not well supported as outbreaks have not coincided with the arrival of the migratory birds to specific areas. As stated succinctly by author Wendy Orent in The LA Times, "Sick birds don’t fly far and dead birds don’t fly at all." '

'Tenpenny: That is true. This is not objective reporting of avian flu news as it develops, but part of a methodical process to get people to accept the "official" explanation for bird flu. The government’s pandemic preparedness activities (and expenditures) and its plans to deal with the emergency when it arrives-including quite possibly mandatory vaccinations-are being implemented with the anticipation of minimal resistance. '

'To increase the amount of vaccine that can be made quickly, a new "cell line" technology is being developed. The candidates in the running include PER.C6™, made from the retina of aborted human fetal tissue; FluBlok®, made from caterpillars; and MDCK cells, extracted from dog kidneys. The FDA [Food and Drug Administration] has admitted through an internal memo that these tissues could contain viral contaminants that could cause cancer.
Even worse, the FDA admits that these cell lines could theoretically be contaminated with "TSE agents (transmissible spongiform encephalopathy)" the equivalent of mad cow disease in humans. In a study published in 2004, researchers found that any cell line could potentially support the propagation of TSE agents.'

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060312.htm

http://www.marktier.com/bird-flu.htm

[Not_Just_DNA]

Interesting read. I need to read up more on this, as I am fascinated by Immunology.

I am, however, a little perplexed by Dr. TenPenny's statement:

"If people understood how illness develops and what determines the severity of symptoms, they would not have an irrational fear of bird flu. They would know how to build their immunity through diet and lifestyle and be confident they could properly treat the flu if they got sick. They would also realize that vaccines do not prevent diseases. "

If she means vaccines do not prevent new diseases from emerging, it makes sense. But taken in context, it seems she is saying vaccines do not prevent illness (as in don't prevent illness in the person that receives the vaccine?) Is there a between the lines meaning that is just flying right over my head?