I need some help with my Bruce genealogy search

[pRuston]

I'm looking for information to help me with my genealogy search about Robert the Bruce because my aunt that lives in London said she found that a MacKinnon (my great-great grandfather was a MacKinnon) married a Bruce in some book but we don't really know for sure so that's why I want to find out if I'm really related to the great Bruce. Thanks so much!

[meadowcat]

Hi it's good that you are looking into your family history , I wish you all the luck.. I think that you should know that in the Bruce family there was more then one Robert Bruce , At the time of the Frist Robert the last name was spelled Brus and he came from Normandy France, To Yorkshire, then the family was given titles and lands in England and Scotland.. Robert Bruce the King of Scotland Was Really the 7th Bruce to Carry the Name of Robert.. The Frist Robert Brus Was The Lord Of Cleveland, and The 1st. Lord Of Annadale.. Hope this helps

[Marhar]

Just a bit more info for you

GENEALOGY OF ROBERT BRUCE AND JOHN BALLIOL



ROBERT THE BRUCE, was the grandson of the Robert Bruce who tried to get the throne after the death of Alexander 111. He was descended from the great King David 1, since he was the great-grandson of Isabel, the daughter of the Earl of Huntingdon who in turn was the grandson of David 1. See below for more details of the line of succession. Also, read about the last remains of this great king.



JOHN BALLIOL, who had the unflattering nickname "Toom Tabard" meaning empty coat, ruled for less than 4 years (1292 -1296). Regarded as a 'useless king', he was the great-grandson of David, Earl of Huntingdon, who in turn was the grandson of King David 1 of Scotland (1124 - 1153). He tried to stand up to the English, but he was not able to unite his people, so the war was easily won by England. Scottish nobles owned lands in both Scotland and England, and were divided in their loyalties to such and extent that now they fought on one side, now on the other. His reign ended in disgrace when he submitted himself as a vassal to a representative of Edward 1 of England. Dressed in only a shirt and underpants he handed over a white wand signifying the surrender of the kingdom of Scotland to the English King. After three years in an English prison, he was allowed to travel to France. In his baggage was found the royal crown and seal of Scotland, as well as money and gold cups.



After John Balliol's disgraceful submission and loss of his crown in 1296, Robert Bruce asked Edward to make him king, as he was next in succession. But Edward turned to him sharply and said "Do you think I have nothing to do but to conquer kingdoms for you?" To show that Scotland was no longer to be an independent kingdom, Edward removed the Stone of Destiny, on which the Scottish kings were crowned, be taken to England, and all the papers and documents that might prove Scotland's independence. Last, he made those who had land in Scotland sign their names in a list to show that they recognised him as their king. If they refused their lands were confiscated. This list of names is called "The Ragman's Roll" and still exists. It has about 2000 names, including Robert Bruce. Edward thought he had subdued Scotland. But he was mistaken, for he had not been back in England long when William Wallace stepped into the arena to fight for Scotland.



The Stuart Kings were descended from King Robert the Bruce directly, and so too are the present Royal Family, who are descended from the daughter of King James V1 of Scotland (James 1 of England).



Here is a list of Kings (and one Queen) of Scotland in the period leading up to King Robert the Bruce.
Duncan 1 (1034 - 1040)
Macbeth (1040 - 1057)
Malcolm 111, (Canmore), son of Duncan 1 (1057 - 1093)
Donald Bane, second son of Duncan 1 (1093 - 1094)
Duncan 11, son of Malcolm Canmore, (1094 -1094)
Donald Bane, second reign (1094 - 1097)
Edgar, son of Malcolm Canmore, (1097 - 1107)
Alexander 1, brother of Edgar and son of Malcolm Canmore (1107 - 1124)
David 1, brother of Edgar and Alexander and son of Malcolm Canmore(1124 - 1153)
Malcolm 1V, grandson of Davd 1 (1153 - 1165)
William the Lion, brother of Malcolm 1V (1165 - 1214)
Alexander 11, son of William the Lion (1214 - 1249)
Alexander 111, son Alexander 11 (1249 - 1286)
Margaret, Maid of Norway (1286 - 1290)
First Interregnum, English occupation of Scotland (1290 - 1292)
John Balliol, descendant of David 1 (1292 - 1296)
Second Interregnum, English occupation of Scotland (1296 - 1306)
Robert 1, the Bruce, descendant of David 1 (1306 - 1329)


The present clan chief of the Bruces is The Rt Hon Earl of Elgin and Kincardine.

According to Who's Who the Earl's full name is Andrew Douglas Alexander Thomas Bruce. He's the 37th Chief of the Name of Bruce, the 11th Earl of Elgin (created 1633) and the 15th Earl of Kincardine (created 1647). Date of birth 17 February 1924, which makes him 75. He has 3 sons and 2 daughters.

His address is Broomhall, Dunfermline , Scotland KY11 3DV.

[StevenWallace]

My own Bruce family emigrated from Scotland to the U.S. in 1730 - or thereabouts. They were among the original settlers of Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia, USA - the same little town where George Washington lived as a teen.

It took me a long time to find them because I was using the modern spelling (Bruce) when in fact they spelled it Brus and sometimes Bruis or Bruice. If you are tracking the family in the U.S., I have some info that purports to be a genealogy back to the famous King, and while I do consider the source reliable, I am still trying to document the connections in Scotland pre-1500. It get really hard to find anything before 1500 on UK relatives in general. \

Steven Wallace
Steven.Wallace@scotland.com

[Yankee_Lass]

Where & how do you find info on an ancestor when all you have is a birthyear and country? I have a Bruce anscestor but all I know is that she, Ann Bruce, was born in 1725 in Ireland and married to James McCoy between 1739-1769. I also have that she died in 1808, but don't know if that was in Ireland, or here in the states. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[Marhar]

I think tis is your Family taken from the IGI at
http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp?

Husband's Name
James MCCOY (AFN:Z52V-NK) Pedigree

Born: 1720 Place: , , Northern, Ireland
Died: 30 Sep 1802 Place: Uniontown, Fayette, Pa
Buried: Place: So. Union Bapt., Fayette, Pa
Married: 1745 Place: Frederick Co., Va

Father:
Mother:

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Ann's Birthplace has been filled in wrongly I think

Wife's Name
Ann BRUCE (AFN:Z52V-PQ) Pedigree

Born: 1724 Place: , Fayette, Pennsylvania
Christened: 1725 Place: Fordyce Parish, Banff, Scotland
Died: 4 Feb 1808 Place: Uniontown, Fayette, Pa
Buried: Place: So. Union Bapt., Fayette, Pa
Married: 1745 Place: Frederick Co., Va

Father: John BRUCE (AFN:Z4M3-DP) Family
Mother: Sarah? COLES? (AFN:Z4LG-17)

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Annie MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1M6) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1760 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: Place: , Logan, Oh

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2. Sex Name
F Rachel MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1ND) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1762 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa

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3. Sex Name
M Joseph MCCOY (AFN:1C0D-F8B) Pedigree

Born: Abt. 1762 Place: Fayette Co., Pennsylvania

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4. Sex Name
F Mary MCCOY (AFN:1C0D-F74) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1762 Place: Fayette Co., Pennsylvania

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5. Sex Name
F Mary MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1FX) Pedigree

Born: 1748 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa

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6. Sex Name
M Isaac MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1G5) Pedigree

Born: 1756 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: 1797 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa

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7. Sex Name
M James MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1HC) Pedigree

Born: 1752 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa

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8. Sex Name
M George MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1KR) Pedigree

Born: 1756 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: Place: Urban, , Oh

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9. Sex Name
M John MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1PL) Pedigree

Born: 1764 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: 1809 Place: Fayette Co., Pennsylvania

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10. Sex Name
F Sarah MCCOY (AFN:11NG-1L0) Pedigree

Born: 13 Jan 1758 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: 3 Aug 1822 Place: Uniontown, Fayette, Pa

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11. Sex Name
M William MCCOY (AFN:SL9P-BL) Pedigree

Born: 31 Mar 1754 Place: Brownsville, Fayette, Pa
Died: 1 Sep 1813 Place: Charlestown, Clark, In
Buried: Place: Silver Creek Cem, Clark, In


For this Pedigree chart to be in here means that someone else has researched it in the past

Hope this helps

Marhar the great LOL Tongue in cheek

[Yankee_Lass]

Yes, that is my family! Thank you so much! I'm going to check out the familysearch website and see what else I can dig up! Thanks again!