Clan Cameron

[MAGUS]

The Cameron Clan was one of the strongest highland clans and were always one of the first to stand up for the rights of Scotland

YouTube - The Cameron Clan

[DreadGod]

Sure the Clan Cameron were a force to be reckoned with but I wouldn't say that they were one of the strongest or most powerful clans like say the MacDonalds, Campbells, Sutherlands, Douglas, Murrays etc...

It has to be said though that the Camerons were perhaps the one of the most violent clans but that was just how things were during the times of the clans. They relied alot on supporting the more powerful MacDonalds.

Still if the "traditional" stories of the clan battles are true then the Camerons did win a great many battles.

And as for being Jacobite that is all a matter of opinion. Others would say that supporting the British government like half of Scotland did was their way of standing up for Scotland.

[MAGUS]

You must read different history books from me because Clan Cameron are listed
as one of the most powerful highland Clans in lots of history books.
Cameron of Lochiel also led the Jacobite army on behalf of Bonnie Prince Charlie.

[Duthill]

Magus ,
note that Cameron of Lochiel was a regimental commander under a divisional commander

Division Unit Notes
Escort troop Fitzjames' Horse: 16 men.
Lifeguards: 16 men. Commanded by Capt O'Shea. This unit was the prince's escort.

Lord George Murray's Division


Atholl Brigade: 500 men (3 battalions). Raised not as a clan but as a feudal levy. Possibly consisted of 3 regiments. Suffered badly from desertion.

Cameron of Lochiel's Regiment: abt 650–700 men.[67] Led by Sir Donald Cameron of Lochiel.
Regarded as one of the strongest Jacobite units, and as elite.

Stewarts of Appin or Appin Regiment: 250 men.[68] Led by Charles Stuart of Ardsheal. The regiment suffered from desertion. During the campaign it suffered 90 killed, 65 wounded.


Lord John Drummond's Division. Lord Lovat's Regiment: abt 300 men.[69] Led at Culloden by Charles Fraser of Inverallochie, whose battalion was numbered at about 300. The Master of Lovat's battalion missed the battle by several hours.[70]


Lady Mackintosh's Regiment: abt 350 men.[71] Sometimes referred to in secondary sources as Clan Chattan Regiment. A composite unit, like the Athole Brigate. Led by Alexander McGillivray of Dunmaglass. Lost most of its officers at Culloden.
Farquharson of Monaltrie's Battalion: 150 men. Consisted of mostly Highlanders but not all. Described by James Logie as "dressed in highland clothes mostly".[note 9] Included a party of MacGregors.[note 10]

Maclachlans and Macleans: abt 200 men.[74] Commanded by Lachlan Maclachlan of Castle Lachlan and Maclean of Drimmin (who served as Lt Col). The unit campaigned as part of the Athole Brigade, though fought at Culloden for the first time as a stand alone unit.[75]

Chisholms of Strathglass: abt 80 men.[76] This very small unit was led by Roderick Og Chisholm. Suffered very heavy casualties at Culloden.[75]
Duke of Perth's Division. MacDonald of Keppoch's Regiment. 200 men. Commanded by Alexander MacDonald of Keppoch. This small regiment consisted of MacDonalds of Keppoch, MacDonalds of Glencoe,[note 11] Mackinnons and MacGregors.[note 12][75]
MacDonald of Clanranald's Regiment: 200 men. Commanded by MacDonald of Clanranald, younger, who was wounded during the battle. Disbanded at Fort Augustus about 18 April 1746.[75]
MacDonnell of Glengarry's Regiment: 500 men. Commanded by Donald MacDonnell of Lochgarry. This regiment included a unit of Grants of Glenmoriston and Glen Urquhart.[note 13]
John Roy Stuart's Division (reserve) Lord Lewis Gordon's Regiment John Gordon of Avochie's Battalion: 300 men. Commanded by John Gordon of Avochie.[note 14]
Moir of Stonywood's Battalion: 200 men. Commanded by James Moir of Stonywood. The unit, unlike the others of this regiment, was made up largely of volunteers.[75]
1/Lord Ogilvy's Regiment: 200 men. Commanded by Thomas Blair of Glassclune.
2/Lord Ogilvy's Regiment: 300 men. Commanded by Sir James Kinloch.
John Roy Stuart's Regiment: abt 200 men. Commanded by Maj Patrick Stewart. Also known as the Edinburgh Regiment, because of where it was raised.[note 15]
Footguards. abt 200 men. Commanded by William, Lord Kilmarnock. A composite unit.[note 16]
Glenbuchet's Regiment. 200 men. Commanded by John Gordon of Glenbuchat.
Duke of Perth's Regiment: 300 men. James Drummond, Master of Strathallan. The unit included a party of MacGregors.[note 17]
Irish Brigade. Garde Écossaise: 350 men. Commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel Lord Lewis Drummond.
Irish Picquets: 302 men. Commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel Walter Stapleton.
Cavalry
(Commanded by Sir John MacDonald of Fitzjames' Horse) Right Squadron Fitzjames' Horse: 70 men. Commanded by Capt William Bagot.
Lifeguards: 30 men. Commanded by David, Lord Elcho.
Left Squadron Scotch Hussars: 36 men. Commanded by Maj John Bagot.
Strathallan's Horse: 30 men. Commanded by William, Lord Strathallan.
Artillery.
11 x 3-pounders. Commanded by Capt John Finlayson.
1 x 4-pounders. Commanded by Capt du Saussay.

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etc


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[DreadGod]

Originally Posted by MAGUS

You must read different history books from me because Clan Cameron are listed
as one of the most powerful highland Clans in lots of history books.
Cameron of Lochiel also led the Jacobite army on behalf of Bonnie Prince Charlie.

One thing to look at when determining how powerful a chief was, is to look at their rank within the nobility. Often the numbers of men they had under their command could contribute to that rank. Most of the highland chiefs would have been one of the following: (starting with the most powerful).

Duke
Marquess
Earl
Lord
Baronet
Baron
Laird

I hate to ruin your hopes but as far as I am aware during the times of the clans, the Cameron chief was only ever a Laird. Examples can be given for all of the above.

The Duke of Argyll was chief of Clan Campbell
The Marquess of Montrose was chief of Clan Graham
The Earl of Ross was chief of Clan Ross (in early times)
The Lord Reay was chief of Mackays/ also Lord Lovat was chief of Clan Fraser
The Baronet of Foulis was chief of Clan Munro
etc...

[Lachlan09]

Originally Posted by DreadGod

Still if the "traditional" stories of the clan battles are true then the Camerons did win a great many battles.

Invernahavon

[DreadGod]

Originally Posted by Lachlan09

Invernahavon

Yes I am aware that the Mackintoshes/Chatten confederation defeated them in that one. I think the Mackintoshes also won the first one between them known as the Battle of Drumlui too.