My Clan?? The Neelands, or Clelands

[Ghostman]

To my hopeful find in Scotland. My name is Herbert w. Neeland.Recently, I found an old Neeland History geneology book. Our name was spelled Kneeland, Neelands, and at one time it was Cleland. This book was written in 1931.Are "coat of arms","Kneland of YAT ILK" This was presented to James Kneland,by Robert the Bruce ,after the battle of "Banockburn".This also is used by the "Clelands.There is a Falcon sitting on an armoured fist,resting on a shielded helmet.There is a "Hare, or rabbitt",jumping to the left.All this is on a shield,surrounded by something like foliage.
The second coat of arms was given to Major Wm. Kneeland, by Mary Stuart. The original is still in the possesion of the family.
The book says that we were involved in the battels of, Stirling, Falkirk,Nevilles Cross,Portiers,Flodden,Killiecrankie and Dunkeld. My heart jumped a beat, when the book said that we fought along side, "Sir William Wallace". Since the book was finished in 1931, I was thrilled, that the Movie had nothing to do with the validity of this book,and the question .Is Mr. Neeland just making this up. The second coat of arms, is a Lion sitting on a shielded helmet.The helmet is atop a shield with a Lion walking, carrying a small shield with a cross insignia.The words at the bottom are "A Gruce ET Ferro Corona" I would just love to hear that I have realitives in Scotland. We are very proud of our heritage, and pray, that there is validity to it.I would appreciate any correspondence .....Thank you from the bottom of my Scotish heart.
Herbert W. Neeland


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Herbert w. Neeland

[Kneeland-McLaren]

Hi Herbert.

I'm not the link you had in mind, but it's still nice to encounter another of my (however far-removed) kinfolk.

Did you also read that Margaret Wallace married Alexander Kneeland and their home was also the home of William for part of his youth?

You may also descend from the Abner Kneeland who was one of the rare strong sorts who stood up for his freedoms in the United States, even though the threat of prison and worse were a known consequence. He was one of the fathers of the Unitarian church in the USA and at his trial some well-known figures spoke in his defense.

Fascinating, genealogy!

Good luck in the quest. I'll keep peeking in!

K-M

[Ghostman]

Did you also read that Margaret Wallace married Alexander Kneeland and their home was also the home of William for part of his youth?

No, I did not know this. But I'am thrilled to find out something of such historical importance. Well, to me anyway. hahaha. Was Margaret the "1st cousin of William Wallace"? That is what is says in the "Neeland Geneology". This book I have, was published in "1931". Its very fragile, and I tend to take it out of its plastic sparingly. My son, who is a soldier with the "4th ID"just returned from IRaq. He married a beautiful young woman. He is so intrested in his heritage. He is so afraid that the Neeland name stops with him. Would somebody let me know this is not true? This would relieve his mind greatly.
Thanks again to the person who wrote me. (KM), I believe? Let me know more if there is anything appropriate to our name, "Neeland"........God bless my family in Scotland......Herbert W. Neeland II "Ghostman"

[Scottfish]

My surname is Newlands.

[Ghostman]

So your surname is "Newlands"? Thats close, huh? Well, there seems to be very many variations. I hope this is one of them. One of these days soon, I hope to travel to Scotland with my beloved wife. She is very interested in my heritage. Her name is maiden name is Bartlett. Which she says is a "57" variety type. I told her "ya never know".
We live in NorthWest Arkansas. Would love to hear from a Neeland, Neelands, Kneeland, Cleland, whomever is a realitive,,,,,,,,OR not.Doesn't matter really. Just Proud to be from a Clan that has a very rich history...Thanks so Much Scotfish........Herb Neeland,,,,,"Ghostman"

[jackneelands]

Ghostman


Allthough this is 10 years later this might be helpful

Lewis A Neelands(author of above mentioned book) did a pretty thorough search for all the family members of the original 5 Irish/Canadian Neelands that came here.

When My Grandfather and Great Grandfather were approached by Lewis they were
able to piece in alot of missing dates and people. My Grandfather had only
just met my grandmother and were only engaged at the time but with the aid
of his father Ernest (my great grandfather), they were able to piece alot of
it together for him before he published his book.

Historically he quoted alot that was documented in the New York Public Library with the Kneelands Geneology.

Starting from Daniel....and I know its confusing untill you chase each
linage respectufully and this goes to present date.

I am from Daniel Neelands/Elizabeth Kilpatrick -John Neelands/Catherine
Sutcliff - Judson Neelands/Martha Hill Sutcliff - Ernest Wesley
Neelands/Winnifred White - Thomas George Neelands/Joan MacNally - John
George Neelands/Maureen Butler - John Patrick Neelands/Karen Hazel

I am John Patrick Neelands.....Have been raised as Jack as well as my father
and as I have been told ...so has every John before us.

What line do you branch from If I may be so bold as to inquire?

[wullie m]

Herbert, "Of That Ilk", means he owns lands of the same name as himself. This from "Black's Surnames", Clelland or Cleland, derived from lands of the name of Cleland or Kneland in Dalziel parish, Lanarkshire. The first of the family, Alexander Of That Ilk, married Margaret, daughter of Adam Wallace of Riccarton, father of The Patriot, and Kneland, a follower of Wallace, is mentioned by Henry the Minstrel. Cleland of Cleland refered to as Kneland Of That Ilk. William of Kneland & Arthur Kneland of Knowehobhill, were delated for being "Art & Part" in the murder of Lord Darnley. Gavin Cleland rebel in 1568 & William was a Burgess of Glasgow in 1464. Gavin, in Linlithgow 1534. Marjory, at Fosh, Monkland, 1546. John Cleveland or Cleland of Garrenshaugh 1686. James Cleiland a merchant in Edinburgh 1692. William Kneiland a burgess-freeman in Glasgow 1574. Supposedly an early corruption of Cleveland. Roger de Cleveland 1278 in default by the English for non attendance of an assize at Carlisle.
Very old name, check out William Cleland, the poet who commanded the Cameronians at the battle of Dunkeld 1689. He defeated the Jacobites, fresh from their victory over the Scottish Government forces at Killiecrankie, most of the town was set on fire, Cleland was killed and buried in the Cathedral there. "A lad in years but a man in shrewdness and courage".